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Re: Survival revisitted
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58L8134 wrote:
Hi

Here's the photo to which Leeedy refers, it is found in Collectible Automobile, September 1984, Vol.1 No. 3, page 21. The article is titled "Plans for 1957: Packards That Never Were". Photography credit: "Special thanks to Richard A. Teague".

Steve


Yyyup! See? Bet some folks didn't believe me. And just like I said... a real car and note the 1955 style rear window and 1955 front fenders with 1956-style turn signal superimposed. The doors worked on the same principle as the 1956-57 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham (Rex Terry of Creative had one of the first of the Eldo Broughams, by the way).

I can't find my original photo (which was very similar) anywhere. But I know that Creative Industries built at least one, possibly two of these Packard Four Hundred 4-door hardtops for Packard-quick and dirty just to show appearance, operation and engineering feasibility.

Thanks for refreshing my memory on the car also appearing in CA.

Oh, and by the way... this car was not intended for 1957 as some have suggested... but rather it was originally intended for 1956.

Posted on: 2016/3/30 14:52
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Re: Power Antenna
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Leeedy
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BigKev wrote:
Has anyone tried calling these guys and seen if they have a replacement mast that may work??

http://www.antennamastsrus.com/

They many makes and models on their website, and they say they carry others that are not listed. Worth a shot.


There was a fellow in Illinois back in the 1980s who was supplying repopped Packard V-8 front and rear antenna masts... and they were accurate masts. No idea what ever happened to the biz, but he had a very nice-looking product. If I recall the name was "Antenna Masters" or some similar clever name.

As I recall they ran ads in Hemmings and in Packard Club publications. Guess I'm showing my age here, but it just seems like yesterday, despite this being 2016.

Posted on: 2016/3/29 20:12
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Re: Survival revisitted
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Leeedy
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Mahoning63 wrote:
Very interesting, Leeedy. Do you remember any details such as if they lengthened the 2-door hardtop's roof several inches, moving the backlight rearward on the body? And did they do anything with the rear doors such as moving them forward to eliminate the body insert between front/rear doors? In working up the images I realized how tough it would have been using mostly stock parts. The challenge would have been to get the rear door's glass to roll down.


No details other than it was based on a 1955 body, but fitted out to look like a 1956 Four Hundred-only with rear doors and no B-pillar.

As for lowering glass in the rear doors, nah. No big challenge. Huge room in there and most of the other manufacturers figured out how to build and produce 4-door hardtops for the 1956 model year. The rear doors and side glass were very different from those on the Patrician. But again, as far as I know it was put together mostly for looks and probably some engineering feas. People outside of the industry did not know it, but Creative was one of the top engineering firms in the world-in addition to all their other activities.

By the way, the Caribbean press photo that you used to Photoshop here was actually a 1955 Four Hundred made to look like a 1956 Caribbean. Creative did that one too-or one just like it. And... if you look very closely at the original press photo you will notice it has a 1955 Caribbean hood and seats! There will be lots more in the upcoming Creative Industries book.

Posted on: 2016/3/29 19:34
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Re: Survival revisitted
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Leeedy
Hello Big Kev... nope. Again, this car was a 1955 body made to look like a 1956 Four Hundred hardtop-only with rear doors added and no B-pillar.

It was not a 1957 design at all and was not a clay, but what amounted to a real car-at least appearance-wise. It was also not a Clipper but rather, a senior Packard.

I once had an 8 x 10 glossy photo of the car, but over all these years it somehow got misplaced. Was hoping someone else might have a shot of it.

Thanks for asking.

Posted on: 2016/3/29 19:12
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Re: Survival revisitted
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Leeedy
Ahhh. Interesting Photoshopping.

However, Creative Industries actually cobbled together a 4-door hardtop based on a 1955 body for Packard. It looked like a 1956 Four Hundred-only with 4 doors instead of two.

Few people know it but there was a small branch of Packard Styling located at Creative during the Nance era. I once had a photo of this 4-door hardtop V-8 Packard but over the years it was lost.

Might anyone out there have a photo of the 1956 4-door hardtop prototype that was built? I am not referring to the 1957 engineering feas mule, "Black Bess" but rather a 1956 4-door hardtop...1 of 1. Thanks.

Posted on: 2016/3/29 17:04
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Re: Power Antenna
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Leeedy
It is important to remember that the 1955 and 1956 Caribbean rear-mounted antennae are very, very different from a front fender-mounted antenna.

The masts are different. The reels and rack ropes are different (rears are round; fronts are flat!). The housings are different. The bases are different. Etc.etc.

Most of the replacements I have ever seen done on Caribbeans have been incorrect and are usually "repaired" with front antenna masts. Owners of the cars usually seem oblivious to the differences... yet you can tell right right away. The cap nut and lower mast section were made completely different and are quite obvious to the eye.

A real original Caribbean antenna mast has a single ring pressed into the mast. Front antenna lower sections have two.

So if you are replacing a mast, it is a good idea to see what you are using to replace it.

Posted on: 2016/3/26 20:15
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Re: 1956 Caribbean hardtop options on a Four Hundred
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Leeedy
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56P400 wrote:
Gracias, Leeedy!

Shortest way for sure would be directly from Detroit to Puebla (where O'Farril was assembling Packards and which is even a bit farther south than Mexico city) via Texas, but of course, I don't have a clue as to why send them to California first... perhaps Earle (with an E, thanks!) was the distributor who had the relationship with the O'Farril family... or as you say, some were sent by him directly.

Thanks again!
victor


Well? Again, I don't know about this specific car for sure... or anything about Packard's corporate policies vis-a-vis Mexico. However, one could look at it this way: Prepare a set of auto shipping train cars from Detroit... especially just to go all the way directly to Mexico? Or add a few more cars KD'd onto a trainload already bound for SoCal, and then route the handful out from there? Shortest distance isn't always the cheapest-especially when it comes to economies of scale.

And remember too that Mr. Anthony wasn't just West Coast Distributor... he was also on the Packard Board of Directors too... at least for a while.

Posted on: 2016/3/25 17:58
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Re: 1956 Caribbean hardtop options on a Four Hundred
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Leeedy
Hello Victor,

I do not know if all CKD/KD Packards were sent via ECA. I only know that some obviously were. The fellow who told me certainly should have known with his position at ECA, Inc.

With trainloads of vehicles going to ECA as Packard West Coast Distributor and with main routes into Mexico from SoCal and Mexico being the next entity south of California, there is logic here.

Ford was doing likewise, at least as recently as the 1980s and probably well after...ask me how I know.

And remember, Mr. Anthony spelled it Earle... with an "e" on the end.

RE: the Creative Industries book, you can find preview info about it on Amazon.com.

Anyway, the Scottish Heather looks gorgeous in the photos.

Enjoy that beautiful Four Hundred!

Posted on: 2016/3/25 17:37
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Re: 1956 Caribbean hardtop options on a Four Hundred
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Leeedy
I have seen a lot of nice 1955-1956 Packard engine compartments, but I have to say this is one of the nicest I have seen in a long time. As we used to say back in Detroit when I was growing up, "...clean as the board of health!"

I don't know if the paint is original, but that Scottish Heather on the firewall sure is accurate and gleaming beautifully...which is the way original nitro-cellulose lacquer looked when new. Nice.

Anyway, the colors and finishes are accurate... the ground strap is in the right position under the battery holder bracket, the oil-bath air cleaner decals are accurate and in the right positions. Wow. The only thing I see here missing is the anti-short extruded rubber shield over the regulator connections (almost all V-8 Packards I see today are missing this part).

This is one gorgeous 1956 Four Hundred! I had two duplicate sister cars in these colors, one with factory air and wire wheels (long before repops were available). I last saw it in the 1970s in Reseda, California.

As for Caribbean hoods and dual quads, I can assure you that I knew of at least 2 or 3 1956 Four Hundreds running around Southern California in the 1970s. One of them lived in Long Beach. Another lived in very wealthy town of San Marino. My two cars came from San Marino via Pasadena.

Back in the 1970s I was told by a former owner that his car "came that way" and was ordered via Earle C. Anthony dealership. Furthermore, I was also told by a former ECA parts & service man that ECA kept both Caribbean carb set-ups with batwings and factory air kits on-hand at the two main SoCal ECA dealerships. I suspect they also swapped a few hoods.

Of course, there were other Four Hundreds running around with Caribbean hoods on them... and I knew who put the hoods there! One of them is sitting out in the desert today and I'm sure there will one day be stories about it. A lot of years have gone by and folks have short memories.

Anyway, I will also say that many-possibly most or all- postwar Packards delivered CKD/KD to Mexico were distributed via ECA. I know this because the ECA Controller-who I knew and interviewed-told me that they (meaning ECA distributor personnel) had inspected and loaded KD cars on trains to go to Mexico. And you know, EC certainly loved to jazz-up Packards and encouraged buyers to order the unusual! Something to think about in the equation.

On a final note, I remember at least two dark metallic blue 1956 Patricians that had full leather interiors (yes FULL leather) and factory air. One of these turned up many years ago in the 1970s at a PAC National in Illinois. The other was from New Jersey (sadly, I last saw it in a junkyard). While I know the fate of the second car at least as far as the boneyard, I have no idea what happened to the other car-which as I recall belonged to a Chicago stockbroker.

Anyway... info offered for what it's worth....

Oh... and yes there is a partial shot of Ed Macauley's specially painted/specially colored Caribbean-ized Four Hundred in the upcoming Creative Industries book!

Posted on: 2016/3/25 15:52
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Re: 1956 Caribbean with air conditioning
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Leeedy
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HH56 wrote:
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all of which is why Packard designed it that way.


Do you know if Packard did all the design and fab work in house or did they do something like they did prewar and farm it out to a refrigeration company and someone else came up with the details. I realize there was not a lot of choices for component placement without serious mods to the dash and car and the fact they did it with only adding the vents and one hole in the stock dash is commendable. The airflow inside the box and blower location in particular seems like an afterthought though.

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By the way... there is one very easy way to know if the factory air in your V-8 was line installed... or dealer installed...


Would that be the firewall reinforcement around the blower opening?


The evaporator core box that mounted under the instrument panel was developed (as I understand it) at the insistence of both James Nance and Earle C. Anthony.

But we need to remember that the parameters for the space available, the design of the firewall... and the design layout of the ventilation system were all fixed by the fact that they already existed in the Briggs body design. And after all, the 1955 and 1956 Packards were still just a disguised older Briggs body.

So yes, perhaps we can say that the V-8 air conditioning unit underpinnings were somewhat of an afterthought... but what else could they be? They had to work with the bones they were given.

And yes... the flange on the firewall was attached differently for dealer-installed factory air units.

Posted on: 2016/3/14 15:56
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