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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
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Leeedy wrote:
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Carl Jr wrote:
There are other items which might be Packard related - albeit for earlier models in Dad's family in the decades before this one. I found these spare parts in the basement or in the trunk of the Patrician

* dash clocks & hood ornament est. 40's era (already went to family)

* Delco Radio (available- images attached)

* filter (available- image attached)

* two glass jar things / I wonder if they might be lamps (available- bad images attached, better available in next day or two)

Could anybody comment - do these look identifiable, remarkably interesting or unusual?



Hello...

The glass jars in the metal bracket holders are merely reservoirs for windshield washer fluid.

On a 1956 Patrician they would have been located in the engine compartment either on:
• Right-hand fender splash well for cars equipped with factory air and/or pushbutton transmission

• Left-hand fender splash well if not equipped with either pushbutton transmission or factory air conditioning.


Thanks Leedy -
As you suggested - we found a windshield fluid jar installed on the Right-hand fender splash.

Posted on: 12/14 15:05
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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
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humanpotatohybrid wrote:
Interesting, Howard, but I don't think that is the same one. We'll have to check the video.

Carl, as a side note I realized when I got home that your car is almost completely optioned out. No idea if it has the twin traction diff, but other than that it's only "missing" the dual rear antennas (a pretty rare option except on the convertible, and the second one is only aesthetic) and the wire wheels.

The MSRP would have been around $6,200 for this car, nearly $70,000 today. Pretty expensive when you consider that, with 68k miles on the clock, it basically cost a dollar per mile amortized and adjusted. In some ways, it's like buying a $200,000 car today, nearly the price of something like a Bentley Flying Spur.

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William - Thanks again for all your feedback. I greatly appreciate your 1st hand assessment and feedback.

Wow - placing a Packard Patrician in that light... Except for the fancy options, I never would have seen my Dad as owning a car like that. He usually talked about the used Mercedes 300 SL Gullwing that he decided not to buy circa 1961 because he didn't want to maintain it's mechanical fuel injection. Dumb factoid - it seems that while digging out from WWII, Mercedes outfitted the 300SL with a Messerschmidt fuel injector. Seems like very different times from today...

Posted on: 12/14 15:02
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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
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HH56 wrote:
Glass jar assys are Trico windshield washers and other brand cars also used them. In the Packard version, if it has only two hose connections - vacuum inlet and water outlet - on the lid it is for 51 to late 53 and maybe low end 54 models. If it has 2 wires and two plastic assys on the lid connected together with a short hose it is 54-56. If electric wire version, a black cap where the wires go is 6v and a red cap is 12v.

Second photo is an oil filter for most 46 to 54 engines.

The radio knob styling looks to be 51 - 52 and some 53 Clippers so that is probably the years. Can't see much of the pushbutton and dial area but think it is the standard push button version.


Cool Thanks - Good to know.

Unless somebody shouts out with a specific interest - I'm tempted to let these with the car as a lot. Please speak up if interested and we'll consider splitting them out.

Posted on: 12/14 14:53
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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
There are other items which might be Packard related - albeit for earlier models in Dad's family in the decades before this one. I found these spare parts in the basement or in the trunk of the Patrician

* dash clocks & hood ornament est. 40's era (already went to family)

* Delco Radio (available- images attached)

* filter (available- image attached)

* two glass jar things / I wonder if they might be lamps (available- bad images attached, better available in next day or two)

Could anybody comment - do these look identifiable, remarkably interesting or unusual?

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Posted on: 12/12 22:27
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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
Howard,

I haven't run across any wiring schematics. Dad probably has a piece of paper with it somewhere. Might have been stashed in a logical place - 60 years ago - then left "there"... But I haven't run into it yet.

I look forward to in-person showing tomorrow with somebody who knows what they're looking at...

So - if you want pics of anything in particular - please post a wish-list

Posted on: 12/12 21:41
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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
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HH56 wrote:
Any detail photos and information showing the PB actuator unit and how they might have done the install and mechanical connection to the transmission would be much appreciated. Some of the solutions used on your car might be workable for those wanting to install the modern GM transmission today.


I'd be glad to take more photos - but am not quite sure where to look.

Can you check the pics I posted on 14 Oct?

Is this the actuator you're talking about?

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Posted on: 2023/10/16 6:23
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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
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humanpotatohybrid wrote:
In addition, as far as I have been able to find, the shift pattern on this Hydramatic would be NDSLR with S being "second". I suspect the fistful of splices has to do with rewiring the shifter contacts to work with this new arrangement. Combined with the fact that Park was done by placing the shifter in R then shutting off the car, who knows how it was wired up exactly.


As far as I could tell, it looks like this picture might show that fistful of splices...

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Posted on: 2023/10/16 6:20
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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
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Ross wrote:
That was a serious labor of love to install that Hydramatic: develop and fabricate the adapters, and then go the very long extra mile to make a bracket and fabricate linkage to use the push button unit with the Hydramtic shifter.


I wouldn't be surprised if the basic adapters were 'common' to the shop that did the work. But I also wouldn't be surprised if Dad did any 'extra mile' brackets and linkages. He was a welding/metallurgy engineer for US Steel - and he took great pleasure at fixing things, or improving on design shortcomings with custom parts.

Posted on: 2023/10/16 6:17
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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
More pics, continued..

This confirms it - Label Plate indicates a GM Hydramatic transmission in Dad's '56 Packard Patrician...

Can somebody confirm how much of the drivetrain looks Packard?

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Posted on: 2023/10/15 6:45
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Re: 1956 Packard Patrician for Project or Parts- Asking $3,000
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Carl Jr
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Carl Jr wrote:
Here are more pics, continued-especially around the unusual transmission.
Can somebody confirm how much of the drivetrain appears to be Packard?

FWIW -

I pulled the plugs for 1 and 5 and put Marvel Mystery oil in those.

The other plugs were hard to get at with the tools I had, or seemed tight so I left them alone.
We'll leave engine assessment & restoration to the buyer.

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Posted on: 2023/10/14 12:00
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