Elefant,
when I had my Packi accepted by the German T?V I didn't need the 4-way flashlights (Warnblinkanlage). Only the headlights had to be replaced to asymetric versions (VW fitted). Otherwise it remained (almost) original from '49.

Pls get in contact with me, if needed
Alexander

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Ozstatman

Now -after some holidays- I have finally registered with the Packard Owner's Registry.
Hope it add's to the completion of this wonderful site.

Regards
Alexander

Update #02

Surprise, surprise !!!

Just minutes after my last posting I got a telephone call from the technical authority,
that -by chance- an immediate noise measuring would be possible....since one of the specialists was in my area.

So, I jumped in the car and went to the place, where I store my Packard.

I won't tell you details right now, but the process was rather fluent. :) I did a few pass-by's and there we were !

Within 15 minutes we had the necessary values:

standing: 73 dBA
driving: 82 dBA

That was it !

The other requested values will be taken as posted earlier.

It is always good to talk to people personally !!!


So -if I am lucky- I will have the registration paper in my hands still this week, before the responsible person is going on holidays.



Well, some other smaller hick-ups "appeared" still:

- I need to exchange the sealed-beam lights against other ones permitted in Germany

- I need to install a so called "Warnblinkanlage" (don't know, how this is called in English).
This is the device, which makes all four direction lights blink in case of an emergency or similar.



If this is done, I can register the car, get a license plate and then !!!!! finally !!!!! I can put her on the road.

pffffff.............

Good morning everbody

some progress update

I have talked with the responsible person today again and have fed him already yesterday with the availalable info, which I had and which I collected here from the posts.

1) Top speed.
I told him that I will not push this car to it's limits and
we somehow "agreed" more or less on max 100 mph = 160 km/h.

2) Permissable weight
Starting from 3'770 lbs dry weight/shipping weight I have made some assumptions for passengers, fuel, water, luggage etc.
and came up to something like 5'100-5'200 lbs.
That should be a realistic value and he seemed to be happy with that :)

3) Axle weights
I offered him to weigh the car on a proper official device, but he said, he will do some calculations about the weight distribution between front and rear.

4) Noise
The only thing, he was a little "picky" about, was the noise values.
("I know, the car is rather silent, but if the police would stop you one day and enjoy measuring the noise values,
their result should be close to what I have written in the papers")
So, it has to do a little with "protection" obviously :)

I offered him to do an own measurement, but...
he insisted on doing an official measuring procedure :(

Well, if this is all it needs....then I am happy to do it.
Of course this measuring procedure does cost money and this seems to be the "duty",
which I have to pay to get the papers done.



Just as information for our German friends in here:
The complete procedure of creating German car papers for the Packard will sum up to something like 600 ?,
which equals ~ 850 US$ (including noise measuring).

I was aware that there were some costs connected with importing an US-car,
although I didn't think of this amount for the papers.



Well, once done, it should be easier to do it another time.

So -maybe- I need to look for the next Packi to import :) :) :) ? Any proposals ?

@Guscha
[QUOTE]
"Instead of claryfing all open questions beforehand Alex acted youthful optimistic and just imported his car."

Not quite so, Guscha.
After I've bought the car I did a real deep research of the available information on this and other websites, contacted other owners or people, who have to do with Packards.
I believe that my data sheet is rather complete.
I have converted all data into metric and have supplied a real thick file of information to the T?V.

However, I could not find the data, which are still required (see my opener).
I think, just because they were not of any interest at the time, when the car was built.
(It is still amazing for me, that the top-speed was of no importance back in the 40ies... :) )



@Rusty
[QUOTE:]
"...if the information is required, how official must be the source? Could an official of the Packard club of the US make up a suitable data sheet, and would this be accepted by the authorities?"

In difference to Guscha I believe, that a data sheet by a US Packard Club could well do the job !!!
There are so many people with deep knowledge about the Packards here on this forum and around, that a realistic data sheet could rather easily be produced.

Let's face it.
If the Packard has a top speed of 90 or 100 or 110 mph in the papers doesn't really matter.
It doesn't change the car and wouldn't really affect registration. Unless there would be an issue with tuned up engines and going over a speed, which the car was not built for. That could create legal and insurance issues.
But for a classical car, which shall remain in most original state, that should not be important.

Now we are dealing with just buerocracy. There needs to be some values in the papers, and if some reasonable value can be supplied by a source like a Packard Club, I believe strongly, that would do the job.


@Ozstatman
[QUOTE:]
I believe you know what has to be done to satisfy the regulatory authorities in Germany. I think all you were trying to do was save time and money in coming up with the answers the authorities require. Time, in that, if the answers could be readily provided by asking questions in this Forum you'd be quickly able to move on. Money, in that, there are ways to measure noise, weight, weight distribution but they all come at a cost. The only measure I wouldn't like to undertake is that for top speed, wouldn't want to push a 62 year old Packard into the region of 100mph(160kmh)! Although I understand your wonderful autobahns are more than capable of accommodating that speed and more. All that said, I suggest you bite the bullet and start booking noise tests, weighings, etc so you can get your lovely '49 Club Sedan on the road as soon possible to really enjoy it.

You are quite right, Ozstatman.
I was trying to save time ! If such figures could have been provided here, I could have moved on quickly and deliver the data this week, before the responsible guy goes on holidays for two weeks.
Another loss of time, before I can put her on the road. :(

I am completely aware and ready to pay for the measuring procedures, if needed.
Shipping the car to Germany was already quite costly, so I knew, what I was facing. If necessary, I will pay.
Just the further delay bugs me.

I wanted to drive my 88-year old mother to her birthday party with the Packard, but this I obvioulsy have to forget about....


And yes, once the car has a license plate, I will register.

Amazing to me is however, how little owners of 2265's are registered up to now....

well, yes, one possibility, but....if a similar car had ever been regsitered in Germany, the T?V would have a data sheet, no ?

[QUOTE]:
"The moral values of the noise output of a 60 year old car which in probability will hardly be driven somehow escapes me, but as I said I can still be educated."

OBJECTION, your honour:
The reason I bought it, was it's beauty and TO DRIVE IT !!!!




and.......having driven my Club Sedan (on private ground) already makes me look at this "sister" ;)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Packard-Convertible-1949-CONVERTIBLE-PACKARD-GUARANTEED-1-OWNER-W-DOCS-/140566825753?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20ba6f8b19

no manuals here for such ???? ;)

huuuuu....guys :) :) :)

buerocracy and common sense don't always go together.

they have their regulations and need to fill in something. it's not their fault.

so I don't blame it on the engineers in charge, but rather on the people, who have set these rules at some green table (mabye even in Brussels during European harmonisation).

So -in the worst case- I will have the car weighted, make a sound test and try, how fast it will go. Of course, that will cost, but what else, if I don't find such values from somebody else.


The tricky thing is though, that the same institution, who will do the German car papers, will also do those test and measuring procedures (and charge for that)................
????????

I'll keep you posted :)



in the meantime just enjoy the forms of the Packard 22nd series ;)

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Fred, I am confident to get the problem solved...somehow :)

Yes, the car is beautiful and doesn't make noise...also due to a new exhaust delivered by Kanter's ;) ;) ;)

Thanks for providing so many spare parts for Packards




another pic of the beauty/beauties :)

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