This Packard is a 1903. Thanks for the nice post Mike. Maybe, I just get a gal of MMO and sit and wait. The engine was stored dry. I think after this discussion, it is the rings frozen to the walls with corrosion. My goal, as I said in the first post, is to sell it. I know that I will get more interested parties if I can say the motor turns. I do not intend to start it. I wouldn't want to do that without a teardown. Just want to see the crank rotate...Ken

One other thing. On the bumper break, I looked at it closely today and the lower section of the break is bent forward. It also has the look of a tension break on the edges. So my forensic analysis is that some caught the edge of the bumper when backing up. It stressed the bumper forward and ruptured it causing the break. I can find no other surrounding damage suggesting collision..Ken

Thanks for all the info! I agree that the rings are suspect. I have been putting master blaster on them for a week. As far as rotating the crank to remove the pan, I wouln'd be doing this if I could move the crank.ha ha. So, I assume that if I cannot move the crank, I cannot get the pan off without having the engine on the floor. Correct?..Ken

Hi again everyone. Well, I have been trying to get to engine to turn, but so far no luck.
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I wondered if anyone have been able to slip the oil pan out with the engine jacked up but still not out. I want to get at the connecting rod bearing so I can clean and lube them up. I think that may set it free? I am not sure I am ready to pull the motor out completely yet. thanks Ken Johnston

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This is becoming a wonderful thread with so much input. I appreciate all the of the helpful views. However, I will not, repeat not sell this Packard as a parts car. If I did, then it would disappear as a unique and individual expression of the Packard designer's and engineer's art and excellence. When I bought this car nearly 40 years ago, I wanted to restore it to its greatness. I belived in this greatness when I petitioned it for acceptance into the Classic Car Club. Even though I am running out of years to complete my passion, another individual can replace me and bring it back to life. I would rather give it away than sell it for parts...Ken

Thanks to henneyowner for your encourgement and price suggestions for ebay. I will probably try something like that. Also many thanks to JoeSnatana for your tips as well. All sound advice and just what I was looking for. JoeSantana, is that a XK150 Jag in the background of your posted pix? I am working on an XK140 right now..Ken

As requested, I am posting five PDF scans of the letters back and forth asking and receiving entry of the 1941 160 Packard into CCCA. My original mentor introduced me to Packards in 1974 and encouraged me to petition the CCCA on my 160 Packard. He was Alex McInnes an inventor and avid collector. His toy box included a 1936 Mercedes-Benz, 8, 500K, Conv. Cabriolet, a 1932 Packard, 8, 903 Coupe Roadster and a 1937 Packard, 8, 1502 Conv. Victoria, Dietrich, 1957 300SL Mercedes-Benz and other jewels. He worked as an engineer below decks on the HMS Prince of Wales during its pursuit of the Bismark in WWII. He also told me of the PT boats using twin Packard engines for power and an ingenious oil system that allowed them to go thousands of miles without oil change. It used the exhaust heat to "Crack" the old oil and send it fresh back into the engine. He put a modified version of the system into his 1951 torpedo-back Chevy. He liked to show off the oil which was the color of honey. He said the oil had 100K miles on it! Oh well enough reminiscing! here are the downloads. Ken Johnston

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Thanks Everyone for your interest. I have just added my Packard to the registry. While looking through my old folder on it to get info for the registry, I came across some history. If anyone is interested, I have the original documentation that I used to get the Classis Car Club to alow the 160 model into the club back in 1975. Back then it was 180 only. I will post if this forum is interested. BTW, I think I will try the oil soak trick and give the engine another try.Ken

Thanks for the reply posts! On the subject of the engine, I could not turn it over with a wrench on the crank, but I did not try to troubleshoot it. It ran when it was shut down so it can't be catastrophic. It may require taking the connecting rod caps off and cleaning out the dried gunk. Do you think it would add a lot to the value? As for the suggestion of the registry, I will gladly do it . Ken

Thanks for the post Tim, I have a whole bag full of "if only"s. I have thought that the effort to get the motor running (even badly) might be worth a couple of K$, but alas, I have many restoration plates spinning. As too the bumper damage, it is exactly as I bought it and don't know why it is cracked. It shows no real damage around it like from a collision. My guess is the previous owner hooked the bumper on something when backing up and cracked it that way. Ken Johnston