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Re: Fuel Pump on '54
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I thought it was all interconnected, but it makes sense there is a separate source of vacuum just for the brakes. I was not aware of the popularity of the Eas-A-Matic in '54. The car has PB and PS along with the three-speed OD manual trans, which may be a less common combination. IDK. Once again, I'll mention that it is advisable to make sure the hand brake is operational and can stop the car if there is a brake failure. I practice this maneuver on occasion so it is familiar to me.

Another little safety measure I have taken is to remove the hood ornament. It's quite a weapon in even a minor mishap. It's easy off and easy on, two screws, and you can get creative with plugging the holes with your own ornamentation. Wish I could get a shield like the one on the Caribbeans. Fat chance, I suppose.

Two other advantages: you don't stick yourself when washing and waxing, and it doesn't get stolen. I'd put it back on if I show it, of course.

Posted on: 2019/10/15 12:32
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Re: Fuel Pump on '54
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Thanks for all your help. I'll let you know if the change from AC to Carter presents any problems on the install. Just looking at it, the Carter seems a bit more robust design, however, warning, it is said to be more rare than the AC, according to... Kanter! Thus, they require an exchange- the old pump must be returned before the new one is shipped. They were nice enough to grant me an exception on this, as the car would have been out of commission in the interim, and the mechanic balked at having a dead car to move around the shop for a couple of days.

I still kind of wonder if the different vacuum connection will present any problem with my Power Brakes, which I think were rare in '54.

Maybe the flexible vacuum lines should be replaced throughout. They look original.

I was also was wondering about the 2-barrell carb and fuel pressure that HH mentioned. There has been some seepage from the carb at times, perhaps due to the extra fuel pressure = but again, I'm no expert (except I'm getting to be more of one on this car).

Posted on: 2019/10/14 13:00
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Fuel Pump on '54
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I thought I'd throw this out to the group:

My '54 Clipper Deluxe with 327 ci engine developed a fuel pump leak.
The pump in there now is an AC, but the Service Manual calls for a Carter.

I want to put the correct pump in. Is the swap from an AC to a Carter pump difficult? My mechanic, who has worked on the car often, seemed skeptical.

Maybe I screwed up and the AC is correct for a '54? The Shop Manual came out when the '54s were just being built. It shows the Seniors having the AC.

Kind of complicating matters is that the car has Power Brakes. I'm wondering if that made a difference in which fuel pump Packard put in. I doubt the AC that is in there now is original, though. It has been molested for sure, and was probably a rebuild, or could be the original with an amateur rebuild.

Any insights are much appreciated.

Posted on: 2019/10/13 14:09
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Re: Hydraulic stop light switch
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Thanks Howard. The wiring diagrams are good in the manual. They showed two splices in the trunk. I checked the wiring and it seemed sound. Of course, since the direction signals and the driving lamps work, it shouldn't be a problem back there.

However, the manual also advises to LOOK FOR SHORTS under the dash. Lo and behold, I found one!

The wire is a cloth-covered one that seems to go to the back of the instrument panel. It may even go to the Oil Light, that quit working. I just happened to have the key on and saw a spark... I had notices the wear-through on the insulation. But, since I saw a spark, there must be current there, so it apparently didn't blow a fuse. I found where it was rubbing on a cable.

Pics to follow. No meter. Just following the wires, learning a lot. But no brake lights yet! No brake lights, no car.

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Posted on: 2019/7/4 16:41
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Re: Hydraulic stop light switch
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I changed the order of the last few pics and added a couple for more clarity.

Everything is connected to everything else, as they say. I don't have Ultramatic, so I don't know if there is a mate for that wire to plug into.

It'll take a methodical approach. I hope the folks on the forum can get something out of this info. It took quite a while to get all the pics together. Happy motoring to you!


Guy

Posted on: 2019/6/30 19:44
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Re: Hydraulic stop light switch
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If anyone is still following this, they might want to look at some pics that show a lot of what I investigated. Oh yeah, now the oil light isn't on. I think all these new troubles (since I discovered the stop lights didn't work) have been self-inflicted due to trying to "fix" things."

I am no expert, but the pictures may be helpful to some of you on the forums. I'm not an expert on posting photos here, either, but I've done it before and will try to do it again and give clear explanations.

Here's the first one. It's looking down toward the top of the MC. Green, orange, and yellow going into the bundle, and yellow going with yellow and, I believe white and green:

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Posted on: 2019/6/30 15:19
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Re: Hydraulic stop light switch
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Thanks Howard,

Good advice indeed. I have one of those little test lights, I think. I presume they work on 6v as well as 12. The yellow and black wires to the right rear (Passenger Side) tail lamp... Could Mr. Black be the culprit of this whole thing? I doubt it because the running lights and signals work on both tail lamps. I think that rules out Mr. Black.

Thanks for all your help. It is now up to the challenge of figuring out on my own. I'd much prefer that to taking it back to the mechanics. I want to see with my own eyes where the open or short is.

I just wish I hadn't messed around under the dash and in the trunk when I got it back from the shop. I usually check the stop lights every time before I go somewhere, but of course when I brought it back from there, I was in a hurry... I'm learning to never be in too much of a hurry with these old cars... especially starting out. Note to self: check everything every time (withing reason).

I kind of doubt anything has been radically modified. The person who owned the car before me was as obsessive as me about keeping things stock (except the paint, which is not a bad match for the Bikini Blue, and available at my local parts store through GM).

The previous owner passed away and I bought the car from his brother, who never bothered much about it because it wasn't a Studebaker. It's just possible that I am only the 3rd long-term owner of the car. It has 80,000 on the odometer.

But things happen. It obviously sat outside for some time, on a slant, with the driver's side lower. It droops on that side, and there's water damage under the driver's seat next to the rocker pane -- rusted through a fairly large hole, but it's "plugged" by yours truly. It's been a good reliable car, though. I will post pics of the wiring at some point here.

_ Guy

Posted on: 2019/6/28 9:39
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Re: Hydraulic stop light switch
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HH,


I've been looking at a lot of things. You might call it "monkeying around" but I'm seeing a lot and learning where things go. Two of the terminals in the hydraulic switch (which seem to be firmly connected) are an orange and a green wire. I took pics of all of this, but speaking from memory here: Coming out of the switch and bundled with other wires is our friend the yellow wire. Coming out of the bundle and going down through a grommet are a green, an orange and our friend, Mr. Yellow. I suspect these go through the firewall. There is also another wire of unknown color and origin going through at this point. Then, under the dash we find Mr. Yellow, Mr. Green and Mr. Orange (just think "Reservoir Dogs" if you saw that).

Under the dash I found one disconnected wire hanging down, but alas, it was Mr. Black. But maybe a ground wire that needs to go somewhere. The end of it was fitted to go into a plug type connector. It was hanging right where the wires were headed up into the steering column but was much too short to go up there. Does it connect behind instrument panel maybe? IDK

Then to the trunk. Followed the bundle of wires in there along left side. There is an entirely separate wire going to the trunk light switch from this bundle. I had NO IDEA that there was a mercury switch in the trunk light. (I had hunted all over to find a push-in switch like a door switch.) It looks like the unit is riveted in. I'll try to "tickle" it though. (The bulb is new and I cleaned to socket.)

More fun in the trunk with Mr. Yellow: He came out of the bundle of wires and went across the floor on at the back of the trunk. (that is, the edge nearest the bumper) and went through several links and maybe a fuse? I tried to upset as little as possible. I found the wires going through the grommet. I know these go to the license plate lights and the fuel gauge sender (a single wire goes there).

The yellow wire shows up along this route and as far as I can see ENDS at the bulb socket for the right rear tail light. It does NOT go to the left tail light. (I believe the wires going to the left tail light are green and orange). Which would make sense. Mr. Green, Mr. Orange and Mr. Yellow all wind up at the tail lights. The end. And nobody gets killed.


I have no electrical sense, no meter. All I got is my hands, my eyes, electrical tape, extra wire and some connectors, and a good set of tools. I never could read a schematic.

It's really essential to find out why the lights went out and where the fix is, rather than to have them start working again "for no reason." That would be awful. Sometimes when things "fix themselves" it's a very bad deal. Especially with electrical things.


Thanks for staying with me on this. Brake lights are so essential.


Guy

Posted on: 2019/6/27 14:54
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Re: Hydraulic stop light switch
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HH,

More great stuff. The trunk light and gauges were out long before the brake lights went out, so there is probably no link between them. I bet it's the connection at the end of the MC. The wire was probably pulled out at shop. That would be a relief. Not my fault!

The courtesy light works by the switch, but it didn't used to. The mechanics fixed that a long time ago and I don't know how.

The rear loom comes in on the left side of the trunk along the fender, then goes to the floor after it powers the left tail light.

There is a wire going from the loom to the trunk light. It looks good, but the light doesn't work. I believe it's on the same circuit as the sending unit for the fuel tank, so that gauge might not be an instrument panel problem - who knows, maybe the sending unit is bad. The book shows how to test it, but as I mentioned before, there's no access panel in trunk so you'd have to drop the tank.

The temp gauge is really the most important one that's not working.

But the brake lights come first.

Incidentally, the right license plate light works, but the left does not. I believe I checked the bulb long ago and it was good.

Thanks again for all the great info which will be useful now and in the futre.

--- Guy

Posted on: 2019/6/25 11:42
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Re: Hydraulic stop light switch
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Wow! That shows/says it all. Thanks! I have been under the dash and in the trunk lately. Rooting around for cause of inoperative fuel and temp gauges (left side of instrument panel). I did not find anything loose, but I might've jiggled something. Also looked in trunk for wire to sending unit from tank, and why my trunk light doesn't work. (The wiring diagram in the service manual shows all of these on same circuit.)

So, I might've jiggled something, or, the mechanic who just had the car in for an oil change/lube/inspection might've disconnected something. He said he put in brake fluid (which I didn't ask for. I check it regularly and don't want it overfull or mixed with anything I don't know about).

Is there something close to the MC like a wire he might've disconnected?

I've got some more sleuthing to do, armed with excellent information now. Everyone: look out for that parking brake handle when you're under the dash. Ouch.

Questions showing more of my ignorance: Which end of the power brake unit is the Brass Block on and what does the switch look like? Do you get at it from inside or outside or underneath?

Thanks again,

Guy

Posted on: 2019/6/23 17:32
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