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The 22nd Series Super 8 convertible came out early, in fall 1947. Recall that there had been no factory convertible since 1942, so it benefitted from pent up demand. The Super DeLuxe 23rd sales should be compared to this model. Thus both 23rd convertibles sold really poorly compared to their 22nd series analogs. I suppose that Packard may have been concerned with Eight Deluxe convertible sales cannibalizing Super Eight sales, but why should this be true anymore than in the other body styles, especially after the wheelbase difference with the 23rd's? So I think a relatively cheap to tool Eight Deluxe convertible would have resulted in more total Packard sales. The real issue, though, was that Buick has new styling in 49, and Cadillac had a new engine, whereas Packard was facelifting 48
Posted on: 2018/8/6 15:00
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The 22nd Series Super 8 convertible came out early, in fall 1947
Production of the 22nd Series convertibles actually began in April 1947 and production ran concurrent for a while with the 21st Series Clippers. See Neal's book for details. Packard was to again have a "missing" convertible, this time in 1955 when early production planning documents showed a standard convertible in addition to the Caribbean. Vehicle numbers were assigned for both prototypes and regular production vehicles. It was still active in the product planning as late as June, 1954.
Posted on: 2018/8/6 15:06
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Good sleuthing Steve!
And as you said, helps explain some of the thinking that went into the 24th Series. One suspects that the 250 on 122 wb was also the result of the 200 2-door sedan being available as donor. Wish Packard had sectioned out Reinhart's unwanted 1.5 inches of high pockets when they tooled the 2-door models.
Posted on: 2018/8/13 19:21
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I don't think you could section just the 2 dr without major issues across the line, like sharing a front clip across models.
Posted on: 2018/8/14 8:40
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Thanks for your thoughtful responses. Pent-up wartime demand and a long twenty-two month selling season do explain of the 22nd Series convertible numbers. What is surprising is how precipitous the 23rd Series convertible sales plummeted, still on the market fifteen months. Certainly they reflect the end of the seller's market and renewed competition from all-new Chryslers, Lincolns, Buicks and especially Cadillacs with its new OHV V8 engine. Fielding a larger, finer but subtly changed Super Deluxe convertible still should have produced a better response than the 14% of the 22nd Series convertible totals it did.
Management may well have feared an Eight Deluxe convertible, priced well below the Super Deluxe, would divert sales from the latter. That situation was playing out at the time with the 22nd Series LWB Super Eights decimating Custom Eight sales. Another possibility was that between the May proposals and October planning, the Eight Deluxe convertible unit production costs were analyzed. They may have found there wasn't enough material and labor cost reductions to allow a competitive price and unit profit. Other than a vinyl interior, crank window lifts and 288 engine, not much else could have been changed from the 22nd Series Super Eight convertible on which it would have been based. Still, too bad they didn't run off a few hundred for their best dealers, bets we'd enjoy them now. On Dave's point that planned '55 400 convertible didn't make it into production. Given the morass '55 production turn into in general, a another convertible added to the Connor Avenue mess would have complicated matters further. As fine a car as the Caribbean is, the lack of a 400 convertible put them at a disadvantage since they had nothing price comparable to the Cadillac Series 62 convertible; the Caribbean priced versus Eldorado. Paul's point they would have done well to field lowered convertibles and hardtop coupes, were it not for the additional tooling expense to do so, would have produced more highly desirable cars. That concept applies to the sedans line-up as well. A couple inches reduction in section height would never have been missed, kept the body more competitive longer as the industry trended to lower profile cars. Steve
Posted on: 2018/8/14 13:31
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.....epigram time.....
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Steve's points about the difficulty in taking cost out of the convertible and cannibalization of the more expensive models likely explains much of the decision. Once the 22nd-23rd Series' bloom left the rose, sales dropped. It's too bad because Christopher's idea for sleek, modern sheet metal was admirable and he wasn't alone. Hudson, Nash, Kaiser/Fraser and Cosmopolitan all did the same. It proved tricky and all fell short for various reasons. I always loved the brochure renderings of the Packards of this era, especially the Customs. The artists knew what the fundamental problems were (proportions) and corrected them. The only untouchables were the split windshield and wide gap between front and rear doors. Had they been able to correct these (and I took the liberty of getting the artist's Cormorant off steroids), the result would have been a well-proportioned car that was longer, lower and wider than production but otherwise carrying the same lovely theme.
No question the sectioning of 24th Series would have been expensive, especially the firewall. Had everyone decided ahead of time on two body heights, design enablers could have been dialed to ease the pain, such as maintaining a continuous 1.5 inch section that could be removed and, for most class A surfaces, seams covered with trim.
Posted on: 2018/8/17 14:53
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Example of what she might have looked like in metal.
While FoMoCo was not the optimal or most likely partner, the Cosmopolitan shows what was possible. What Packard really needed was to team with someone willing to share the expense of its first post-war models, probably Nash. Two architectures, the first a big body-on-framer made at EGB for the Custom Eight and Ambassador Six. The second, a medium-sized unibody made by Nash for the Statesman Six and Packard Eight, both scaled-down versions of the big cars. The Packards would have gotten longer hoods and rear overhangs vs. Nash and been priced higher. Both companies could have profited, and eventually brought one or both of the other two Independents into the fold when the time was right. Sorry to sidetrack, Steve. The thread is yours again...
Posted on: 2018/8/17 15:35
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