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speculation on my part, but:

1942 - small numbers of everything
1941 Clipper announced part way through the year , and was positioned and priced more as a Junior. AC as an expensive option more likely on the more expensive Seniors
1940 no Clipper

12-6-18

Hello, Owen_Dyneto,

Thank you for the two AC compressor images of Dwight Heinmuller's former 1941 Packard 180-Model 1442 Touring Sedan.

I would like to use them if it is possible to send them to me in higher resolution for my nearly completed book, An Illustrated History of Automotive Air Conditioning.

These compressor images will supplement Dwight's other images already in the 1941 Packard AC chapter.

One image is his incorrect for 1941, medium blue upper paint and gray lower paint scheme. Dwight said that he bought the car with the story that the paint shop erred in the two-tone scheme. It turns out, however, that the 1942 Packard model did use the darker upper color and lighter lower color two-tones.

Another image is a chromed "AIR CONDITIONED" script on the hood.

I have attached both images here.

If it is possible, would you kindly send the two compressor images as a PM to me.

Thanks,
archiveman2977
Allen B. Simons

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Allen, I do have the photos as larger files and quite a few others as well, but I don't believe you can attach photos to a PM. So if you still want them, PM me with your email address.

Yeah, the error in the paint was immediately obvious when my friend Sal went to purchase the car. But they are nice colors and an attractive scheme and the car was priced well.

Dave

12-6-18

Hi Dave,

I am sending you a PM with my email address.

Thank you,

allen

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12-7-18

Hello, Let the Ride Decide,

These three 1941 Packard 180 images with the air conditioning compressor are excellent.

I would like to include them in my 1941 Packard AC chapter, of my Illustrated History of Automotive Air Conditioning book, published soon.

I would like to credit you and the owner of the Packard. Do you know who owned it? Also, the 180 model?

I am seeking higher resolution images. Would you kindly send them to me in my email? I will PM my email to you.

Also, I would be interested in AC-related images and literature of other cars in the 1940-1942 and 1953-1960 years.

Thank you,
archiveman2977
Allen B. Simons

Allen,

I sent you pictures last night hopefully you received them.

Michael

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Hints for you on compressor displacement

1. "Cooling System for Vehicles" patent 2180760 was issued to E.L. Mayo of The Bishop & Babcock Mfg Co. (Cleveland) on 11/21/1939. The document shows the compressor in Fig 1 and 3 but there is no mention of displacement.

2. Antique Automobile Club has a blog entitled "air conditioning" starting on 10/30/2002 with a lot of interesting anecdotal conversation about early vehicle air conditioning.

3. The Cleveland Public Library may or may not have something that will help you. I will post it in a reply. You can go check out what is on the microfilm or I can if you can wait for my travel ban to be lifted after recent knee surgery. I am in drydock until maybe Feb 1.

One of perhaps several Cleveland Public Library resources on Bishop & Babcock:

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12-12-18

Hello Puttenham,

Thank you for responding.

1. Can you obtain a high-res (300-600dpi) scan of the patent for the Bishop & Babcock compressor? It might be interesting for its illustrations.

2. Yes, I have commented many times in the AACA forum under the subject of automotive air conditioning.

In fact I drove from Texas to Hershey a few years ago for research assistance. Matt Hocker of the AACA Library scanned over 800 images of brochures, owner's manuals, data books, etc. for my project, then burned them on discs for me. What an adventure. AACA Library is the best.

3. Thanks for the Cleveland Public Library search of Bishop & Babcock. It looks like there is information there. Would it be possible to inquire further about their air conditioning contracts with Packard, Cadillac (1941) and Chrysler (1940-1942)?

An inquiry may fill your big time gap for your knee recovery. I remember being home bound for three months after neck surgery--I got stir crazy!

Thanks again for your input,
archiveman2977
Allen