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Let's take a look at another opportunity, a 149 wheelbase Limousine. The frame was there for the using and now that Packard owned Conner there was no reason why they couldn't have set up an off-line station to build up the body. Another off-line station later along the assembly line could have assembled the division window and other interior elements. Because the car could have run down the main line for most of its assembly the price could have been brought down to match Cadillac Series 75 and still delivered profit. Ultramatic, A/C, Torsion-Level and heated rear seats standard!
Posted on: 2020/4/23 19:17
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And a confident Packard would have built two or three convertible sedans and got them out on the parade circuit, giving away nothing to Cadillac. Nothing!!
Posted on: 2020/4/23 19:35
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And let's add a 127 wheelbase Executive Sedan to take Nance and other big wheels to the office and Wall Street. Division window optional. No need for Derham were Conner to have found its mojo.
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Posted on: 2020/4/23 19:48
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any issues with the torsion bars lengthened to this extent?
Padded roof standard - hides the roof surgery.
Posted on: 2020/4/23 19:50
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Easy task to do a Club Brougham too, very personal and exclusive.
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Posted on: 2020/4/23 19:56
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There is a brief discussion of Torsion-Level on would-be '55 LWB cars on pg 710 of Kimes' book that suggests there would not have been an issue.
Yes, padded roof for sure unless someone ordered a car without one. Count a total of 8 wonderful Packards on three chassis with minimal extra tooling over what they spent.
Posted on: 2020/4/23 20:30
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Realized I forgot about occupant packaging in the earlier Clipper-based '55 Hudsons of a few comments ago so updated the images with many changes. Check them out if interested.
One of the changes was to raise the seats and steering wheel back to standard height, which raised something else... a question. What happens to headroom front and rear and visibility out the windshield, specifically the up-angle, if roof and windshield header are lowered 1.5 inch inches? If you are curious, have a '53-54 sedan and a 1.5 inch thick book, would appreciate what you discover if you sit on the book in the front and rear seat. If you are 6' or taller I'd be extra specially double secret curious. Also, after going round and round and back and forth on a solution, moved the windshield wiper assembly rearward a bit. Of course, what's up top is only the tip of the iceberg so the motor below might have also needed to move, were space available. And the wipers would have needed shortened a bit since windshield header was lower. Thought about sinking the assembly below the cowl to keep the wipers low on the windshield when in resting position but that might have opened up an very slimy can of worms.
Posted on: 2020/4/24 15:23
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To bad we can't pick and chose what to combined. But I think the Willys Aero was a better car than the Hudson Jet.
Posted on: 2020/4/24 18:24
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The nice thing about this exercise is that we all get to pick whatever we like!
First image is 105 wb Jet with 60.9 inch height. Next to it is a version with greenhouse lowered 3 inches for a new height of 57.9 inches. Second image pits the Willys Aero with its 108 wb and 60 inch height next to the lowered Jet. The Jet was functional and roomy inside but at expense of styling. Lowered 3 inches as Spring had wanted it matches fairly well with Aero though the latter is several inches wider. I think the lowered Jet and Aero are equally compelling. If Packard had bought Hudson in 1954, dropped the big Step-Down and re-purposed Clipper - perhaps as suggested, kept Jet and spent a million dollars lowering its greenhouse for '55 and adapting Torsion-Level, and made a big push to export it and the rejuvenated Packards to Europe and elsewhere, I think Packard-Hudson might have had a really good year and a bright future. Hudson lost a ton of money in 1954 and Nance probably would have been able to determine early in the year a rough ballpark of how bad it would be. Maybe he could have given Barit an ultimatum of sorts: rework the Jet for '55 as suggested using the last of Hudson's capital, plan for a Clipper-based big Hudson for '55 and prepare for the official merger after Hudson closes the fiscal year and booked its losses. This would have made Hudson as cheap as possible for Packard. Barit would have had no other option except to sell to Nash and see Jet liquidated.
Posted on: 2020/4/24 21:50
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