Re: Randy Berger's 1956 Caribbean
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Brian, After looking at the Stude PDF I believe that 6480508 is the part number for the GH oil pump which just has a plate on the bottom. That number would be for a complete pump as the GH required and so they assigned it a later number as it is one year later in production.
Posted on: 2007/10/31 20:11
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Re: Randy Berger's 1956 Caribbean
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A lot has happened since my last entry. We pulled #1 main and found copper on the bearing - not good. Then we found two newer con rods on cyl #1 and 2 - worse. I noticed the factory oil baffles on one cyl head were on upside down. They fit under the valve springs which meant that all the valve springs had been removed for some reason and the baffles were installed wrong when they put the valve springs back in place. One of the baffles is missing. That is not a big deal but just demonstrated the sloppiness and ignorance of whoever worked on that engine. After asking for local opinions on machine shops competent enough to do this job properly and not getting any solid definitive answers I expanded my search and on the advice of two Packard friends I chose to haul the engine down to NJ for a complete overhaul. This will include installing hardened valve seats and stainless valves, cutting the crank (if needed), new pistons (probably), cam and lifters and a complete engine balance. I can only hope the block is OK and is not cracked anywhere. This will take a little extra out of my sock and cut back on my plans to buy all of you a Christmas gift - sorry to disappoint. I did make the 820 mile round trip in one day and was bushed when I finally got home. I did have a nice visit in NJ and saw some Packards I hadn't seen before. All in all a productive trip.
Posted on: 2007/11/23 23:23
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Re: Randy Berger's 1956 Caribbean
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Here are the rates for the engine rebuild. I think some are a little high, but these are seasoned engine rebuilders who have done work for discerning friends before. I trust the opinions of these friends. If you want quality you have to pay for it.
Disassemble, cleaning $260 Hot tank block, heads $ 80 Bore & hone cylinders $180 Deck block $125 Line-hone mains $250 Machine crankshaft $125 Reconditions con rods $280 Rebuild heads $400 Install hardened valve seats $160 Install cam bearings $ 80 Assemble engine $560 Paint engine (brush) $80 Full balance $250 If I add it up right I get $2830, all parts not included of course. All comments are welcome. This does not include transportation and tolls.
Posted on: 2007/12/1 18:33
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Re: Randy Berger's 1956 Caribbean
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Line hone mains????? The Packard V8 has inserts NOT babbit!!! $80 to BRUSH paint the engine and u call them seasoned engine builders???? Deck the block???? What for??? What are they going to balance????
Posted on: 2007/12/1 20:59
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Re: Randy Berger's 1956 Caribbean
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Randy, it sounds like your 56 will run like a top! I also think they are a little high on prices but the people who do the best work don't need to haggle. I assume they will line bore the mains because they fit oversize bearings and they want everything to be perfectly aligned. Do you really need to do that? Impossible to tell without a lot of specialized measurement tools and time... In the end (and IMHO), it's probably better just to do it their way, that way you know you you will have one squared away engine. I look forward to reading your "crank it over" report.
Posted on: 2007/12/1 21:56
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Of course the V8 doesn't have babbitt, you line hone the main bearing caps and saddles (assembled) so that when the insert shells are installed, they are all perfectly dimensioned and aligned on a common center.
Posted on: 2007/12/1 23:50
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What Randy has done is commonly known as "blueprinting". I plan on doing the same plus on my 374 project.
Posted on: 2007/12/2 0:14
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If you go to experts and don't take there advice what is the use of going to them. The only thing I question is $80 to paint that might just be tip for guys that do the work. The main thing is that Randy is satisfied that he will get quality workmanship to make his latest project to the same high standards as his 400
Posted on: 2007/12/2 0:37
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Re: Randy Berger's 1956 Caribbean
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What is the manufacturere and part number for the main bearing inserts to be used after the block and caps have been line bored????
(THIS is gonna be a good one.)
Posted on: 2007/12/2 9:40
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