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Before sanding down , all chrome work etc needs to be removed. On these cars, it it a straight forward process? On some makes of cars like Bently, it's a real pain in the A... From what I hear. And nuts and bolts hard to get too. , so are all the little items needing taking off easy to take off? No nasty surprises ?

Yes ScottG
This book sounds like an interesting read. For sure will look out for it. There's a Packard
Restoration book I would like also.

Best guide to resto I've ever seen is: "Collector Car Restoration Bible" by Matt Joseph. He's had a restoration column in "Skinned Knuckles" magazine for like 35 years. It's the best mag on the subject, imho, and he's their best columnist, imho. Hundreds of color photos illustrate every step of a restoration, and it will answer any question you will ever have. You can get the book through Amazon.com.

Saw this site in America, says brings yesterdays colors alive.

tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/aclchip.aspx?image=1954-packard-pg01.jpg



Is it possible to order a sample from them, or maybe just a pint. Then over here have exact copy to match to.

Also found a company over here called Movac, they have Dupont paints, so may be just lucky here. They are 2 hours drive away.

A big thankyou from Stuart from Packard Club and Kanters I believe, who supplied me with 3 formulas for each color.?
Perhaps a link can be set up showing all color formulas for members to use?!


Here are three formulas for each color?

BELLEVUE GREEN

Acme "Fleet-X" #22-7667
929 TMC ??????????????fill to 6
940 Pure White ???????fill to 51
928 Gold Toner ???????fill to 54-1/4
915 Permanent Green ??fill to 55-3/4
901 Black ????????????fill to 56


Acme "Proxlin" #7667
First Mix (made in a 4-oz. cup, sufficient to make 1 quart of finished material.
742 Gold Toner ???????fill to 41-3/4
726 Green Toner ??????fill to 48-1/4
715 Black ????????????fill to 50
? ?Second Mix
716 White ????????????fill to 50-3/4
First Mix ????????????fill to 56


DuPont "Duco" #1736 / 246-57746
246-0097???White
246-064 ???Ferrite Yellow
246-0785-H Blue-Toned Green
246-025 ???Black


GALAHAD GREEN

Acme "Fleet-X" #22-7464-G
929 TMC ???????????????????fill to 6
931 Extra Bright Metallic ?fill to 34-1/4
915 Permanent Green ???????fill to 43-1/2
928 Gold Toner ????????????fill to 51-3/4
901 Black ?????????????????fill to 54-1/2
932 Permanent Green Yellow fill to 56


DuPont "Duco" #1522-H / 260-57374-H
246-0484???Brown
246-0785-H Blue-Toned Green
246-025 ???Black
202-081 ???Metallic Base (Coarse)


Rinshed-Mason #53K31
PNT-20A Lacquer Thinner ???parts 100
30705 ??Gold ??????????????parts 356
30102 ??Medium Iridescent ?parts 177
30401 ??Black ?????????????parts 115
30306 ??Organic Green ?????parts 75
30103 ??Coarse Iridescent ?parts 71
30505 ??Orange Red ????????parts 17
30901 ??White ?????????????parts 10
30001 ??Fortifier ?????????parts 79

be careful! an old formula (old pigments in an old base) does not tell you how to get current paint. Likewise chip charts are not color standards (never were). If the paint company has updated formulae or another person has had a good match done, use that.

Orchard Green 1954
O,KO(L)
246-57376

246-0097 =. White
246-0751-H. = Chrome Oxide Green
246-064 =Ferrite Yellow
246-025. = Black

The Modern closest Dupont match is
GS 157

Yes agree, modern paints are different and prob better quality. But at least it's something to work on. Here included is the new closest match to Orchard Green.

Here is one-Packard blue(dark almost black) is very,very close to Princeton Blue used on 93 Mitsubishi code AC10997. It matches up with the Packard Blue sample I have.

Contacted Murvac and big paint supplier here in UK,
Here's what they said:-

Thank you Gary we will have a go at this.
If worst comes to worst if you can get the vehicle over to us (liaise with us) we could get one of our spectrophotometers on it and create the colour for you.
It will be a waterborne system though. Nothing scary about waterborne paints we've been using them since 1982. It's just that your vehicle will have been done in Nitro-Cellulose which is very hard to get hold of now. Cellulose wasn't a very good finish anyway. It's not very durable and required maintenance by polishing. Modern systems do not.
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The system would be:
Always check tech data sheets and of course safety data?before?use.
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From Bare metal:
Degrease thoroughly
Apply body fillers to get contour correct and flat to shape.
Blow off dust and degrease thoroughly.
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Apply a Wash etch primer allow to dry then and the apply a High Build primer - flat this down.
Blow off and Degrease thoroughly and tack rag off.
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Apply waterborne colour allow to dry
Tack rag off lightly
?Apply 2 component (isocyanate) Clearcoat allow to cure.
Polish out imperfections... done!
?This is NOT a DIY system. You'll need to have this done. I can recommend a couple of places for you to choose from.
The trouble with any vehicle and particularly a classic, is that EVERYONE can be an expert on colour and paint finish.
?If you want a decent job that will last years then get it done properly. Don't scrimp on the paint job...it's what everyone sees.
Use a one paint company system to ensure optimum performance and longevity. Don't mix primers, n clearcoats etc. Always a bad idea. You'll regret it.
??They will all be in waterborne material, you do realize this don't you? Cellulose has long gone!?
Kind regards
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Dean Dredge
Marketing Manager
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Paint spray here in England charge from $4,621 for basic paint change, if body work needed then much more. You can see why it's best over here to do as much work yourself as possible, ESP sanding down.

I seriously doubt Packard was using nitrocellulose in the fifties. My guess is they used synthetic enamel like everyone else.

The only car I know that was painted with lacquer in the early fifties was custom ordered Chrysler Crown Imperial limousines, and they were finished at the old Derham custom body works not at the Chrysler factory.

Furthermore I don't see why an English paint company can't get the formula when the Canadian or American branch of the same company can.

Are there any Sikkens, DuPont, PPG, or RM dealers in England?