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Re: Packard Plant update....
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JeromeSolberg wrote:
I guess I was thinking is that they maybe they still had some buildings at East Grand where they, say, made trim pieces for interiors or the outside of the bodies, or components for the dash, or brackets, or whatever. It would seem insane to try to move all of that stuff to Conner Avenue and Utica. Maybe by that point all that stuff was being made outside by suppliers.


Most of this stuff was being made by outside vendors. For instance the vacuum tanks (on the splash well in the engine compartment) were made at a company on Detroit's east side. Interior trim (much of it) was done at Mitchell-Bentley in Ionia, Michigan. And on and on...

Postwar Packard production was not like many imagine it today. The foundry buildings and work (which was actually located north of Harper Avenue where nobody today realizes the plant extended) had all been shut down by the V-8 era. The foundry contents were already being auctioned off.

This points out yet another reason why the death of Packard in Detroit was so very crippling to the city. At one time, Detroit (and southeast Michigan) was peppered with little shops and companies that did everything from manufacturing small parts and assemblies to tool & die making. When Packard went down in flames, so did many of these little companies!

And businesses like Creative Industries, Mitchell-Bentley and Modern Engineering could create cars and components cheaper and easier than Packard could itself. So? They farmed this work out to what were believed to be competent vendors.

Posted on: 2023/2/27 16:52
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Re: Mike's 53 Caribbean
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I was thinking about looking at the hardware store to see if there is a small plastic section of pipe I can find that would help... I can measure the ID and OD and see if I find something to cut to size.

Posted on: 2023/2/27 16:30
1953 Clipper Delux Club Sedan, 1953 Caribbean, 1969 912, 1990 Miata
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Re: tightening torque head screws/1937er
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Marty or Marston
As always, to achieve the correct torque you need to ensure that threads (on the bolt & in the head) are clean and rust free. You can use a die or tap to clean them up if you need to. A drop or two of oil doesn't hurt either.

Posted on: 2023/2/27 16:09
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Re: Amazing 1921 116 Roadster - New Hemmings listing
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kevinpackard
Love the body style. And definitely not in terrible shape. It think the price is a bit much, but I really haven't seen many like this for sale.

Looks like the water pump is leaking quite a bit at the shaft. Rope seal gone bad?

-Kevin

Posted on: 2023/2/27 15:40
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SOLD: Original Packard Century of Progress 1933 Brochure
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SOLD!
Here is a neat piece. This is a 1933 Packard Century of Progress that shows every model from 1899 through 1933. It measures folded at 3 1/8" by 5" and unfolded is about 28". It has about 35 cars pictured. Great original condition.

The price is 75.00 includes shipping FedEx with insurance.

Please email at: motoringicons@hotmail.com or call 734-730-4274. Thanks.

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Posted on: 2023/2/27 13:18
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Re: Packard Plant update....
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I guess I was thinking is that they maybe they still had some buildings at East Grand where they, say, made trim pieces for interiors or the outside of the bodies, or components for the dash, or brackets, or whatever. It would seem insane to try to move all of that stuff to Conner Avenue and Utica. Maybe by that point all that stuff was being made outside by suppliers.

Posted on: 2023/2/27 13:11
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Re: Packard Plant update....
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Leeedy
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humanpotatohybrid wrote:
JIT depends on reliable delivery of parts... coordinating production schedules within the factory, or with neighboring factories, to minimize stored product and stagnant money.

But if you can't reliably get stuff then you shouldn't JIT that part. Part of the reason the COVID supply shortages hit so hard is because companies would JIT literally all the way across the globe, but when shipping slowed, then they had no stock.

In other words, JIT is more than "stock less stuff", it takes careful planning and a lot of inside knowledge on the production processes to not screw yourself with unexpected problems.


Yes... these things are all obvious today– especially in hindsight which is always 20/20. And the fact that modern car manufacturers now have the process pretty much down cold.

Yes... Packard depended (perhaps naively) on vendors to do what they had indeed promised they could do.

Yes... vendors dumped Packard in the grease. And one can blame Packard and J.J. Nance (and a lot of others) and the blame-game is a mainstay in American thinking– no matter the field.

Yes... I am very familiar with J.I.T. and how it works, having been involved in this very process during most of my adult career on the auto industry.

But the issue I was attempting to illuminate is that no critic or critique has pointed out that Packard was attempting to do this long before the Japanese. Despite the Japanese being credited today with somehow inventing J.I.T. This was a pioneering move ahead of its time– whether it worked or not For Packard. And whether it has been recognized or not.

Even up until its end, Packard was an amazing, forward-thinking company and I still give them an "A" for effort– in spite of what took place at the end and at Conner Avenue.

Posted on: 2023/2/27 12:50
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Re: 1941 180 Motor mount
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BigKev
Steele Rubber makes those mounts. That may be where MM gets theirs from.

Posted on: 2023/2/27 12:40
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1954 Packard Clipper Deluxe Touring Sedan -> Registry | Project Blog

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Re: Amazing 1921 116 Roadster - New Hemmings listing
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Honestly looks surprisingly good for the price. Would love to whip this around the track and do some burnouts

Posted on: 2023/2/27 12:25
'55 400. Needs aesthetic parts put back on, and electrical system sorted.
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Re: BigKev
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JWL
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BigKev wrote:
Those look pretty nice. The tail light bulbs were already dual filament (parkjng/brake). So pretty much read for turn signals.

The fronts are a different matter. Restoration Supply sells replacement reflectors that take a modern H4 bulb and also a dual filament bulb. So the turn signals can be hidden in the headlight housin


This sounds like a nice solution to getting front turn signals. One problem with using new type bulbs with the old lenses is the alignment of the bulbs with the lenses. They will provide light, but if the alignment is not correct, will not provide a good pattern. I tried some H4 bulbs in some vintage Trippe lights and could not get the bulb-lens alignment to provide a good pattern. You may have better results.

Posted on: 2023/2/27 12:11
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