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CarFreak

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

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Well I drove it the following day and as I was pulling out of a parking lot I lose power, the radio cuts and it feels like its coasting. Then the radio come backs on and power is back and I continue driving. While this was happening I was hearing some type of electrical noise in the steering column and it started to smoke. It stopped a couple seconds later and everything was fine but the horn didnt work... I figured something shorted or somehow that wire got power to it (it is a ground wire up through the column). Need to look into that. I dont know if this is connected but I also found out my power windows, seat and locks no longer work (need to check the circuit breaker and wires).

I was working on the a/c system and I may have leaned on the connections on the horn relay that allowed contact between the horn relay feed and the horn signal wire? again need to look into that.

Yes, I believe what must have happened your horn relay Bat and Switch terminals were shorted. Then either the horn was pressed accidentally, or there was some other short in the horn switch area, which would cause a direct short to ground. Normally a short to ground at the horn switch would just cause the horn to sound (much to the annoyance of classic car owners whom this happens to accidentally); the wire in the column provides power and it is grounded by the switch during normal operation. This by itself would never cause an overcurrent condition as the current is limited by the impedance of the horn relay coil.

Probably horn wire is toast and the contacts need inspected/cleaned. I know a guy with a whole steering column for sale for like 20 bucks up by Mifflinburg. Unfortunately it's still attached to the car.

If you inspect the wiring harness by the starter probably you will find that the battery wire or connections to the horn relay are also shot. Either the PS, PW CB was spliced into the same horn wire, or it is connected close enough to be likewise damaged by the heat from the shorting horn wire.

Also regarding the original horn problem: see here for the repair to this, page 4. I'm not sure the spacer dimensions but it shouldn't be difficult to figure out proportionally if you can measure the width or depth of the original hardware.https://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/downloads/SC/SC-VOL29NO8.pdf

P.S. On the fuel issue, there is also a screen in the fuel pump. If you have the original pump and not cleaned out the tank (I don't remember if you did), the screen would be worth checking sometime preventatively I think.

I do not have the original fuel pump. I went with a 55-57 Ford T bird fuel pump (as suggested by Ross). This fuel pump was rebuilt. Went with this pump as it has a vacuum pumped attached to it to replace the vacuum pump that was originally attached to the oil pump (Im running the olds pump conversion). But the fuel lines are new as is the tank, so it definitely shouldnt be a clogging issue.

thank you for that link on the horn! ill give that a go when I get around to fixing the horn.

I did find the issue with the horn PW/PS/PL. It appears that some how the feed wire for the PW/PS/PL got caught on the column and wrapped around it until it split and shorted on the column. That short is what caused the smoke coming out of the steering wheel the other day. So the electronics and wiring for the PW/PS/PL should be okay I just need to remove the wheel and inspect the damage in the column wiring. I do know that the turn signals still work as they should, so thankfully that section didnt fry.

Speaking on the turn signals, column and wheel. My steering wheel is about 90 degrees off from center. To correct an un centered steering wheel the FSM states to just adjust the tire rod ends until the wheel is centered. Ill have to confirm that the steering gear is properly centered (equal turns to the right and left) but does the output shaft of the steering gear have clocking marks 90 degrees apart? It does it only have one? meaning the pitman arm can be clocked in 90 degree increments on the steering gear.

Posted on: 2023/11/17 10:17

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Don B

Re: Assembly of Sidemount Covers for 1936 Packard 120

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I've come to a conclusion, but I'm interested in this group's thoughts.

The 7x16 Coker bias-ply tires bought by my dad in 2004 are simply too large.

1. My sidemount covers do not fit the tire. The tire is simply too wide...and the tire diameter seems to be slightly too large. The cover will just barely cover the tread in width, but leaves no room for the side cover to fit under the tread cover. Also, when all the way on, the tread cover cannot "spring" down to the correct diameter for the side cover. All evidence is that I do have the original sidemount covers.
2. Looking at the rubber in the fender well, the tire is about a half inch too wide to seat properly. The rubber is original to the car. Now, based on the very helpful tire size guide provided by HH56, the tread width of 7x16 tires should be 5.4in. That would match up very well to the rubber in the fender well. Coker lists the tread width of their Firestone 4.00 Inch Whitewall | 700-16 (which is what I have) as 5.6in. However, when I measure the tread with of the tires, it seems to be right at 6in. I don’t think 0.2in difference would be a big deal, but more than a half inch is.

So, question….Are these tires from Coker different today than in 2004? My tires are clearly marked 7.00x16 on the sidewall.

Ultimately, when I replace these tires, I want to get tires that fit correctly….including the sidemounts. Based on what Coker currently shows on their website, these should be right on. It’s just that the 2004 versions I currently have, are anything but right on.

Otherwise, If the 7x16s aren’t going to fit the sidemounts properly, I may change my plan a bit and buy five 7x16 tires and put the fifth one in the trunk to use as a true spare. Then, buy two 6.5x16s for use in the sidemounts to be “show” only. I just hate everything about that, though.

EDIT: I did try reducing air pressure as suggested earlier. The measurements and photos are with the tire at less than 20psi.

Thoughts?

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Posted on: 2023/11/17 10:11

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packardsix1939

Re: Emergency - Someone please save this rare 1942 110 convertible coupe

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Hi Duncan Michael: Yes, I have seen this car and have posted it to this site under another link (Packards for sale on Bringatrailer.com). There is also a very nice '40 120 Club Coupe now listed on this auction site. Both are nice cars.

Posted on: 2023/11/17 10:04

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packardsix1939

Re: Emergency - Someone please save this rare 1942 110 convertible coupe

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I really want to sell my '39 Six and buy a really nice 1938 or 1939 120. I have my '39 up for sale on this site, but so far, no interest. Disappointing. Come on, guys, it's not that bad a car.

Would not mind a '37 or earlier. There is a very nice '37 115C Convertible Coupe up for sale right now in Hemmings that is not too far away (Massachusetts). I'd be interested if I had my car sold. But I really can't get another car unless I sell mine first. Willing to make someone a deal.

Posted on: 2023/11/17 10:02

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Duncan Michael

Re: Emergency - Someone please save this rare 1942 110 convertible coupe

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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1937-packard-120-6/

Posted on: 2023/11/17 9:59

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BigKev

Re: Emergency - Someone please save this rare 1942 110 convertible coupe

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I know where a basket case 42' 120 Convertible Coupe is available and waiting to be finished. The restored frame and powertrain are already in place, and the body is in primer.

Posted on: 2023/11/17 9:51

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Marty or Marston

Re: Ultramatic transmission problems

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Did you check the fluid level? Also, does the oil look good (nice clear red color) and does not smell burnt?

Posted on: 2023/11/17 9:39

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packardsix1939

Re: Emergency - Someone please save this rare 1942 110 convertible coupe

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Bob J: Wow! Your Packard is just stunning. What a transformation from what you started with. You should be very proud of your accomplishment.

I'm not sure what a fair value would be for that 1942 110, but the values for the 1938 and later junior Packard convertibles are substantially below those for the 1935-1937 models. These have always been considered the most desirable years, particularly the 1937's. I can't tell you how many times I have been asked if I knew of a 1937 120 Convertible Coupe for sale like yours. Just about every Packard guy I know holds this model in particularly esteem. The '35-'37 model years are like the so-called "Tri-Fives" of '55-'57's in the Chevy world.

I personally know of only one other '42 110 convertible coupe. This particular car belonged to a long-time member of my former Packard club (The Eastern Packard Club) from Connecticut. He owned this car for many years until his death several years ago at age 100. It had been given a full cosmetic restoration and was painted Packard Cream. Interesting car, as the data plate indicated a delivery date of December 8, 1941, the day after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Imagine the original owner of that car going to the dealership on that day to pick it up for the first time. I always wondered if he might have tuned in to hear President Roosevelt's "Day of Infamy" speech on the radio on the way home. Anyway, that car sold a few years ago for around $40K as I was told. It was a beautiful car, but it had been sitting for a couple of years while the estate was going through probate and had some mechanical issues. Still, it is going to take a tremendous effort to make the Facebook car as nice as that one. From a dollars and cents standpoint, it's not going to be worth it, even if you could do most of the work yourself, but such a historic vehicle should be saved. I hope that someone rescues it which is why I posted the ad on this site. Not many Packards rarer than this one.

Posted on: 2023/11/17 8:53

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packard1949

Re: 1947 super clipper fog lights

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Many thanks-got both fog lights and backup light working. I think the problem on fog lights was a partial ground-not enough to blow the fuse. It is very difficult to get all terminals on the screw.

again thanks

David

Posted on: 2023/11/17 8:46

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Bob J

Re: Emergency - Someone please save this rare 1942 110 convertible coupe

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It looks like a very good project to me. Mine was listed at slightly more money but was negotiated down to slightly less, but to find an unrestored convertible from 80 years ago you do expect some work to be done. You also need to be able to do most of it yourself if you want to get'er done in a reasonable budget. It took about 5 times my purchase price to complete mine, getting a car worth about double what I have in it in the end, so that too is only available to the convertible model. Like the old saying, 'Top goes down, price goes up!"
Bob J.

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