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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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HH56 wrote:
Just be aware there are different size ceramic elements and I don't believe the one commonly sold in most parts stores for Chevys etc will work in the smaller diameter filter unit Packard used in some years. I think the difference may be AC and Carter brand filters. Someone posted recently they saw a vendor for a small element on ebay. I think it was for a Carter filter but won't swear to that.


I saw that and ordered one. It should be here Friday. I did take your suggestion and soaked the filter in brake cleaner. Surprisingly enough, it was 62 when I woke up this morning and should be holding that temperature all day, so I took the packard. I was able to do a couple hard 2 and 3 gear pulls and so far it is not having that bucking issue!! so I am glad all it was is a dirty fuel filter, so thank you!!

Posted on: 2023/11/7 11:34
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Re: Resurrecting my 56’ Patrician
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Going back to the brake light switch. After hearing the issues with the pressure switches and availability I just went with the mechanical switch route that bolts to the column on the inside of the car. Simple enough modification to do and so far both cars (patrician and caribbean) have been working fine with no issues

Posted on: 2023/11/7 11:27
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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I need to do research on the exact OD solenoid action for 55-6 units but with no electric lockout switch, in theory solenoid will get power any time the car is going over cut in speed. With the lockout knob pulled out though, there should be an internal mechanical block to keep the plunger from being extended so the car cannot go into OD. Without the plunger being extended there is a set of contacts inside the solenoid that will not be closed so there should not be any ground available so impossible for ground to reach the ign cut out circuit and cause issues.

If the knob is pushed in, the car will go into OD and the solenoid internal ground contacts will close when plunger nears the maximum extension. Ground will get as far as the kickdown switch but go no farther so again no ign cut out issue. If you floor the gas, kickdown switch will pass the ground and make the engine miss a few revs but at the same time the solenoid will also drop out immediately and open its contact to cut off ground as the plunger retracts so the engine will not die. That entire process only takes a few milliseconds. In one of the OD writeups I believe it said the engine cut out process is supposed to be over within 1-2 engine revolutions at 60mph and within a "few" spark pulses at a lower rpm.

On the fuel filter, as was mentioned earlier the ceramic filters can look clean and pass air freely if you blow thru them. In practical fact, if varnish has deposited in the pores it can restrict fuel flow. Depending on how much restriction has occurred will sort of determine at what speed the engine starts getting starved for fuel.

You can try soaking the elements in acetone or carb cleaner to see if that will dissolve the varnish but in some cases it won't and the elements will need to be changed. If you cannot find the small ceramic elements the filter will need to be converted to a paper element.


removing the ceramic filter and doing a pull doesnt seem all the difficult to do. I will try and clean it and see what happens. It appears amazon and Jegs sell the ceramic filter. I believe I got a new gasket, I cant remember if that filter was replaced...

and thank you for the write up on the overdrive. Could I run into an issue if the cable isnt fully putting the mechanical block into place? Would the solenoid fail in such a way that the contacts would go to ground regardless of the mechanical shut off block? An easy way to test would be to remove the fuse for the relay and do a hard throttle pull?

Posted on: 2023/10/30 16:37
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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64avanti wrote:
Points to a fuel prob.
The old timers will tell you- Most ignition problems are carb related!

Super car, BTW.


Thanks! I guess Ill check fuel stuff, but the carb was rebuild by me. I guess I could have done something wrong.

Posted on: 2023/10/30 14:16
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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humanpotatohybrid wrote:
Remind us what transmission you have again? The R700 conversion?

Do you have the mechanical pump? If you slowly go from steady power to intermittent bursts, that sounds like it could match to how the mechanical pump delivers fuel. In that case, is your fuel filter clean? The ceramic filters don't really look dirty, they just need cleaned periodically. The fuel pump was designed to always try to deliver much more fuel than needed to prevent this situation.

What's your fuel level like when this happens? Full, or less than 1/2 a tank? Have you checked the fuel tank condition? (I don't remember if you did) Sometimes the internal fuel line in the tank gets a pinhole at the ½ or ¼ full point causing a variety of expected issues only at low fuel levels.


I believe it is the T-89 3 speed with the R11 over drive? Its the packard 3 speed.

I believe the filter is clean... if not, how do I clean it? The fuel pump is a mechanical one. It was originally for a 55-57 T-bird (as suggested by Ross). The fuel system is above "half" as indicated by the fuel gauge. The fuel tank is new. the metal and rubber hoses on the system are all new.

so you think it is fuel related? I was kind of thinking the ignition was cutting out due to the overdrive wanting to go in. But Ill see if heat from the exhaust is causing problems, and look for leaks.

Posted on: 2023/10/30 14:15
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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So this past week I ripped off the band aid and took this thing to work. It handed the roads and traffic well. Had it all out and about. Put about 270 miles on it so far and its running well. Got most of the interior together finally and looks really nice! didnt get a picture of the interior yet.

So one thing I did notice while driving. When doing hard pulls in 2 or third gear around 40-60 mph the car starts to nudge a little bit. if you keep your foot in it, it starts to buck. I dont hear a misfire or anything. I have not done this when the over drive was engaged (at least I dont think so), but did it with the dash knob pushed in and pulled out. Does this sound like an ignition problem? or a clutch or fuel problem? I know the over drive kicks off the ignition for it to go into overdrive, but I dont believe the electronics of the overdrive are turned off when shut off knob is pulled out. so maybe it is the overdrive that is causing this?

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Posted on: 2023/10/27 16:04
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Re: Resurrecting my 56’ Patrician
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When it comes to interior fabric it really depends on how much money you want to blow compared to how original you want it too look. SMS will match your factory fabric perfectly, but as it was stated, it takes years for them to deliver. It took two years to get the seat covers to my door from when I initially ordered them back in 2021 and they are not cheap. If your okay with it not using the stock fabrics you can take it to really any good upholsterer and have them match the pattern in what ever fabric or color you want.

Tuning a car with a vacuum gauge is a good way to go, but I have struggled with using that method in the past. I try to tune the carb with a tach and use the vacuum gauge as a back up. With your timing set (I believe Ross states 10 BTDC is what is best) you can set your idle fuel mixture by adjusting the screws at the base of the front of the carb. You are correct in adjusting them in small measurements at a time. What your looking for is screwing them out until you see the idle speed stop increasing, then back them "in" just before it starts to go back down again. in order to do this you may have to make smaller turns like an 1/8 or so.

Given the amount and size of the passages in a carb, I feel the best way to clean it is with an ultrasonic cleaner. People have plenty of opinions on what to use in an ultrasonic cleaner but I have found the purple Simple Green stuff mixed at a 1:1 does a pretty good job and doesnt discolor the aluminum/pot metal. Rebuilding a carb isnt too bad, but a lot of damage can be done depending on how much varnish has been left in there over the years. I have had carbs from the 60s/70s be complete junk because the jets were essentially welded in. There are instructions online on how to rebuild these Rochesters, but if you are too concerned, there are people who rebuild them and have been mentioned above. I use rebuild kits from Mikes Carbs.

Posted on: 2023/10/20 8:46
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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humanpotatohybrid wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe in the trunk area specifically they used a specific round speednut with a foam washer behind it for weatherproofing. Obviously you don't have to replicate this setup unless you are regularly exposing the car to torrential downpours with your most prized possessions in the trunk.


so just speed nuts then? I have access to the backsides of all the panels that it shouldnt be a problem

Posted on: 2023/10/13 11:23
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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Looking through my check list. What is needed to secure the Packard script along the side and rear of the vehicle? Are they trim nuts? Or some type of push nut?

Thanks

Posted on: 2023/10/12 17:43
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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Marvin wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance. You mention overdrive, I have not yet had the pleasure of driving my 56 Patrician, but hopefully soon. I am assuming the H button on the push button selector is overdrive. If this is correct, do you push it at a stop position or while driving? And your dash pad looks great. Mine not so much. Is it original or a replacement?


Thank you, it is a replacement. I had it recovered by a company in California. It took a couple months for them to complete the work.

Now if you decide to go that route, it is a PAIN to do. The dash board has to come out and then be separated (some say they could separate the dash with it in place, but I dont have the patience for that). To remove the dash board you either need to disconnect all the wires that are attached to it, or disconnect all the wires in the engine bay and pull the harness through the firewall. Either is not fun.

Posted on: 2023/10/12 11:59
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