would anybody know what the trico model number for the wiper motor on the 51 200 deluxe would be?

It's surprising what and where a thread can lead to. In this instance the "many" Packard fire vehicles caught my eye and I highlighted that. Anyone know why that might be? More pic's were provided which led to trafficators being highlighted and Gerd kindly corrected my explanation there. The pic of the '34 1102 with the locomotive in the typically Swiss setting and Dave's earlier comment Quote: also intrigues me, whetting my appetite for the "other terrific photos".

Call them what you will according to the customs of your area; where and when I grew up, we always called the ones without lights "wig-wags" and those with lights semaphores. In any case I'm sure you'll agree the fire engines are unique, and Mr. Issler's car is lovely; you'll note in the picture of it by the locomotive he's added the correct 1934 metal sidemount covers, very hard indeed to find and subletly different from 1933 in the location of the side cover trim ring.

Excellent suggestion, and what the soda doesn't remove, a wire brush, solvent and labor will. Dipping claims to (and may) get everything pristine although I seem to recall one of the TV car fixit shows that promoted it saying there was still a lot of touch up labor required. $1600 would have to be awfully perfect though or I'd sure be cranky.

Invite your body lifting-off friends over, have a "lets clean the Packard day". Fire up the BBQ, supply a case or 2 of Texas's finest drinking brew, have the spray gun or rattle can's of primer or semi gloss black rustoleum or some such ready and have at. When you get around to changing the rubber, it will also be a lot easier to do or touch up.

I've seen lots of frames professionally sprayed or powder coated. My 56 was blasted, then sprayed with Imron catalyst type paint, and quite frankly, with semi gloss paint and the amount of frame clearly visible, I can't see enough difference from that pricy job vs conscientiously applied rattle cans to justify the expense again. Unless you're going for a 100pt restoration that never leaves a trailer, the pricy jobs get as dirty and scratch just as readily.

Look at the results Kev is getting with labor, rattle cans and spray on his 54. The 47 I occasionally work at/on now, is just going to be spray gun and cans. After seeing the results of a couple of people that took their cars to one of the chain paint shops, that is also looking good as well.

OK, enough and will fall off the soapbox now.

One other option would be to soda-blast the frame. This would not leave the abbasive grit that glass or other blast media will, and you can have have it done in your backyard as you can just wash it into the grass. There are a few outfits that will come to you and blast it onsite.

I would think that after being hosed off, that the soda should not cause any issues with the seals or needle bearings.

i will keep at it, i am just alittle discouraged i suppose. i will get through it though. i guess everything else on the car was so easy to take apart and now that i am to the part that i don't really know about i am alittle freaked out by it.



i am guessing media blasting would probably cost less than dipping too, 1600 or so just to dip.....www.metalrehab.com

i really just don't want to have to do this all over again, i want it done right the first time, i don't want rust popping it's ugly head up a couple of years from now because they didn't blast one area really good. know what i mean....i want this car to be so pristine.....

i have about 600 saved right now to start getting the frame cleaned up.

don't worry i will get back in the ring and fight the good fight....

Stick with it, when you get it done you'll really be impressed with the ride. My own experience with T/L has been that it's totally trouble-free. Other than putting new brushes in the motor and new grease in the gearbox, I've done nothing and had no problems in 11 years of ownership, and according to the prior (and original) owner, neither did she.

That much movement is absolutely wrong--wouldn't even run it for video. Pop the motor off again and look at or measure the worm gear as described in the bulletin. If gear is not sticking out the 3/8 inch or if you can grab it with pliers or something and move it at all back & forth, the ring has loosened.

Unfortunately, Packard just didn't plan on going out of business so the expertise and tools didn't have a chance to get to the real world in quantity. Had they been around a bit longer, even Sears might have carried tools. Once you ride in a properly functioning car, you'll be amazed.

when looking through the inspection holes on the electric motor. the spinning piece moves towards the front of the car about 1/4 to 1/2 an inch. and it will move back again. it slaps forwards and backwards while spinning. there is alot of electric sparks from the brushes when it spins too, which i guess is normal.

i am pretty sure nothing fell off when i was taking it apart. nothing is on the ground where i was working on it. the front part that connects to the transmission part of the leveler has that little key piece that fits into the transmission part.....i am pretty sure i got that into the groove otherwise i wouldn't beable to bolt it up.

so far, i hate this torsion level business, it is a great idea, but in the long run it is a PITA!

i will see if i can post some video of what i am talking about this weekend.

later,

Hank

Hang in there! You've gone this far, so don't quit on us now.

The armature should not be moving more than maybe 1/32 to 1/16th max. Any more, and something is wrong. How much is yours moving? When you cleaned the motor, did you remove it so there is a possibility anything dropped out un-noticed? If not, there was a condition on early 55 cars of a loose lock ring. Since your car leveler apparently moves, the symptoms are a bit different since the motor does not disengage but is a possibility maybe if lock ring not fully out of position. As I recall, the armature fits into a slot on the worm gear??? Read this bulletin and see if anything sounds familiar.

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