Looking for a casting that attaches to the side of a 1936/37 V12 generator. This one is an Owen Dyneto, but I think an Autolite might work also. Casting looks the same on both, but can not confirm dimensions. Any help is appreciated. Restored this generator and it was damaged in shipping. See picture for details. Email or call
jason@aerrebuild.com
517-345-7272

Thank you!

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Can you share a picture. I probably have a good used one available.
-Jason

Hi folks! I'd love to stop here to defend my turn around time, but honestly I can not. I am not your typical starter, generator shop. I do a lot of the really old, rare and unique stuff and specializing in that along with attention to detail has done well for my reputation. However, It has really taken its toll on my back log of work. I am a one man shop and do all the work myself. I simply can not run out and hire someone off the street to work on this stuff without sacrificing quality. Trust me, I wish I could. The problem has really peaked the last couple of years and I have struggled to find the solution. If you think it doesn't bother me or cause me stress, trust me it DOES. More so than you can imagine! I have made it a priority to find a solution and get that turn around time back within reason, but I will need a little patience while I get that worked out. I do apologize for the slow turn around. At the same time, I really want to give my thanks to those who have recommended me and that have spoke highly of the service I provide. The Packard family here is right at the top of the list. Like I stated in the beginning, I'm not defending my turn around time. I am however asking for a little patience and understanding.

Pat, we have emailed back and forth recently and your generator is on the bench being evaluated right now. I told you I'd have your estimate last week and unfortunately the stomach flu hit my household. Your generator arrived the first week of Novemeber, so we're a long ways away from a year and it will be completed soon after I get you an estimate and you give me the go ahead.

Thanks Everyone,
Jason

Sorry Wes, I just saw your message in the inbox here. I have replied to that as well, but thought I'd respond here as well.

If you want to just replace the regulator, I can supply you with a 6 Volt Positive Ground B-Circuit regulator. The only difference would be that the regulator I provide will limit your generators output to about 40 amps which is fine. I don't have one available that will allow the 60 amps that the generator is capable of. There is no risk in using the one I have that limits it to 40 amps, unless of coarse you think you need 60 amps which I highly doubt. Let me know. You can email me direct at jason@aerrebuild.com or call me toll-free at 866-228-0218.
Thanks,
Jason

We did briefly exchange emails and I'm not sure where we left off. I recommended changing the entire drive (bendix) assembly to start. It's an easy first step. If in fact the drive is drifting forward and hitting the ring gear, there is really only a couple options as far as the starter is concerned. The drive may be defective or the starter armature it self could be drifting forward. The armature sliding forward would be very unlikely especially considering you recently had it worked on. It would have to be missing the front (drive end) thrust washer and I'm thinking the drive end housing would have to be worn fairly deep to allow the armature to move that far.

Is there any wear or chips on the drive teeth? I would think this happening would be sure to do damage to the drive teeth. Also, can you tell how deep the drive gear is engaging in to the ring gear in normal use? Usually you can see a slight marking from where the ring gear and drive gear mesh together, usually 3/8" or so deep. Theres also a slim chance that the wrong drive could have been installed and is slightly longer than the original. They make quite a few different drives that style with that pinion in different lengths.

-Jason

I support the theory that 12 volts can in fact break the drive end housing. I've seen this happen many times along with broken drives, bent armature shafts and even broken armature shafts. Even if you find a good replacement housing, you may have a bent shaft now as well. There are other possible causes that would result in this as well, but the higher voltage is common.

As far as a solution, I can provide you with a complete starter converted to 12 volts and ready to go. If you're interested, please contact me directly at jason@aerrebuild.com and I can get a estimate together for you.

-Jason

Wow, sad news for sure. I hadn't heard of this until now. I had the pleasure of working with him a few times in the past few years. A couple years ago he was having trouble with a generator, so I jumped at the chance to go to his place and help him out as well as look at his collection. He had an awesome collection and was a great guy to deal with. Those bumper cars were neat and restored beautifully! My thoughts are with his family, always sad to lose good guys like Phil.
-Jason

Gator has a good suggestion. Used to see this a lot in Ford engines, but I'm sure it can happen in most makes. Running a 6 volt starter on 12 volts can increase the risk of this happening, but shouldn't cause it to happen this often.

Do you have a good starter ready to go? I would mount it and do a quick test cycle with the starter, then remove the starter and see how far the gear is engaging. Also, check the endplay as suggested.

-Jason

I would guess that more than likely you just have a tired starter. The reason the drive was still engaged is because that style of starter drive does not dis-engage until the motor starts and exceeds the RPM of the starter. I'm guessing by your description of events that the last time you tried to start the car with the faulty starter, it did not start and therefore the drive would not have dis-engaged.

The picture HH56 provided is a very accurate description of what does in fact happen if a starter stays engaged after the engine starts.

-Jason

I'm pretty sure I see what the problem is although it is quite late and bitter cold (-9 as I type) here in Michigan so I could be missing something. You sent me a picture of a drive and requested a 9 tooth replacement, so I sent you just that. Now that I see what your actual starter number is, you have/had the wrong drive and the one your are trying to use has a larger gear. You need a 9 tooth smaller gear drive. I have these in stock. Email me and I think we can get this straightened out. I apologize, I should have paid closer attention to your application and not just the picture of the drive you stated were looking for when you emailed me.
-Jason