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That is quite the transportation. Wonder if it was repurposed as a general transport or work car after a party member had his car replaced with a new one or was actually used that way when it was new for getting some important official around.

Dan (MIDan), thanks for sharing. Howard (HH56) is too polite to mention that the picture is showing a GAZ-13 Chaika. Not in a know-it-all manner but to assist you, please find below a ZIS (with artistic radiator grille) on rails.

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Howard, what we see above is the end of the chain after many years in higher grade of service for the red barons. The car survived as an attraction for rent in the Hungarian Railway Museum until today. If wikipedia is reliable informed, then the talk revolves around:

"...a Soviet Chaika, that has served as an official car of Hungarian Prime Minister Jenő Fock. The car was later converted by the Hungarian State Railways to travel on rails..."

True or wrong, the attempt of the mentioned Jenő Fock to move away from the Stalinist economic system got its appreciation in an obituary, published in The New York Times.

Randy, look at this.

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Can't see the back of black GAZ 13 Chaika. But my guess is that it has a trailor hitch at the rear for pulling a small train flat car. Load a regular car onto the flat car, tow it with the Gaz 13.
PRobably made for people that don't like to fly or float. That way, one could travel to the far eastern parts of Russia by rail and then just unload their regular car for local transport.

Several weeks ago i did a Google Earth trying to look at the very eastern 1/3 of russia near Alaska. Spent a few hours looking at that area. But there does not appear to be any roadss or towns or railroads over there in eastern Russia??? Or there ARE plenty of roads and towns etc in eastern Russia???

Anyway, my guess is that the conversions for rail travel is for very long distances across the country.

Re: Post #3, very first picture:

Look at the very front of the rail wheels. Directly in front of the wheel there appears to be about a 2" diameter rod about 10" tall and is ressting verticlee directly on top of the rail.
That same rod appears in a previous pic. Anyone know wwhat that is for??? Carbon electrical pick up of somekind???? Which would indicate that the car is electric powered rather than gas or diesel powered.

Oh!!! They are probably sand despensers. THat car was made for traveling into eastern Russia.

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Keith (PackardV8), it is an inspection car of that kind, Dave (clipper47) described. It drove into every of the four cardinal directions but through Hungary instead of the Soviet Union. The distance from Hungary to Siberia is pretty much the same as the distance from Hungary to Alaska.

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I thought that too but it has teeny rubber buffers at the rear, plugged into the exhaust openings. What looks like solid steel buffers at the front is nothing else than the license plate holder.




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I believe you hit the mark with mentioning sand despensers. The car seems to have an exhaust (kind of).



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Keith (PackardV8), PackardInfo isn't the place to frustrate someone but to support all kinds of Packard dreams. Therefore please find below the Soviet way to carry the Chaika on the passenger train, although too large for hand luggage.

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