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I have several 58-70 Mercury cars...well, maybe 20.
I'll be looking for a 5 main 327 and a 288 head. While a junior may have never come with Tu-tone, I think it would look good. Inverness body with Wilshire fenders. However, No worries on a junior with tu-tone....and a good reason for that. A color chip chart for 40 Packard is in my possession. I prefer to use stock original colors on my cars. The same strategy will go for a Packard. Sounds like a fun trip! The pieces of equipment I mentioned are things I own as a useful hobby. For work, I own a transmission shop. I'd love to win the race. It's a win just to be there, a bigger win to finish without trouble. Receiving money for winning is probably not in the cards.
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Either of those greens are good colors. But not together. Packard never two-toned any of their cars from 1935-40. Of course, junior/senior 120/160/180 shared every piece of sheet metal 1940-42, other than the 120" wb '42 junior Clippers, which have a seven-inch shorter front clip. They are identical cowl back, as are the 1940-42 old/traditional bodied Six, which wheelbase five inches shorter, that entire length chopped out of the front clip.
As suggested, don't reinvent the wheel. Packard designed your club coupe, came up with a palette of sophisticated colors, and having two-tones through 1934, knew what they were doing. There are no body breaks 1935-40 so two-toning such cars always looks like some guy who doesn't know what he's doing or have any knowledge of the cars, the times, just wants an "old timey" car. Trust us on this. Five-main 327 per Ross, and 288 head, with overdrive, that'll be a jaunty yet elegant road car. Break a leg. BTW, when the Cad-LaSalle gearboxes blew apart in Don Garlitts' Chrysler hemi 426 top fuel 1,000 hp rail dragsters in the '60s, hence scatter shields, he switched to the '39 Packard R6 junior transmission --not even the 1940-early '48 R9 or late '48-'54 R11 -- and problem solved, so unsure why you're using a T83. Since you're adding overdrive, seems easier to install the slightly simplified, more plentiful, therefore less expensive R11 complete unit. Again, Jeff Adkins, Moose Motors, lifelong Packard wrench, has some of these, (707) 792-9985, packardguy54@sbcglobal.net. Jeff has all the mechanical and electrical parts 1935-56, knows every bolt and lock washer on your car. Mike Grimes at Merritt, Mike Chirco at Tucson Packard, whose numbers, emails i gave above, also have everything you'll ever need, as does John Ulrich, whose first Packard was a '40 120, which all these years later he still owns, along w/ an equally sharp '32 Light Eight roadster,julrichpackard.com. Please tell these four gents that Mike, '47 Super Clipper, Walnut Creek, CA, referred you. And as MalOz Down Under will ask, please add your "new" Packard to the Vehicle Registry here.
Posted on: 7/14 14:14
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T-83? I thought it was T-85. Either way, I bought a 3 speed with R11 to use.
Posted on: 7/14 15:26
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Pardon, misread. But since T-85 first gear unsynchronized, can't see an advantage over Packard's own complete R11 transmission with R11 overdrive. Imagine some finagling to use T-85, while complete R11 a bolt-in proposition.
Meanwhile, heed Ross's advice regarding cylinder head. If a straight edge shows it necessary, just kiss the head; lightly surface, no more. Ross knows all these engines. Noted an earlier post from you asking about air conditioning. Have never fathomed having a vintage/older car and burdening the engine with more power-robbing accessories, esp. when you're looking for a power edge. So dress lightly in the heat, open the cowl vent, vent windows, roll down the windows. You'll survive. Someone's gotta win, why not you?
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Which transmission did Packard use? I thought BW built the trans for Packard. The trans w/OD I purchased is from a 51 Packard.
Yes, I will survive. I grew up near Fort Lauderdale, Florida and never owned a vehicle with AC. Today, I feel like AC sometimes. Yes, I'd like more power when I need more power. While I'm cruising, I won't need more power until I turn on the AC. Packard offered AC in 1940. I'd like to see pictures of their unit. If you'd like, watch my videos. My transmission shop has more machining capabilities than most. Mills, lathes, surface grinders, cylindrical grinders, drill presses, tool and cutter grinders, seat and guide machine and a shaper....along with lots of precision measuring tools. Someone will win. There are people with a lot of practice and equipment for scoring advantage. It is called scoring factor. For cars 1953 and down a multiplier is used to give a handicap to the score. For example, a 1940 car has a scoring factor of .850. So, if their actual scoring penalty is 1 minutes and 40 seconds, or simplified to 100 seconds, it is multiplied by the .850 to receive a corrected score of 85 seconds. Any car '54 and up is scored as the total 100 seconds. If a 54 or newer car had a better actual score of say 86 seconds, despite having a better score by 14 seconds, the scoring factor would make the 1940 car win. The overall winner this year drove a 1916 Hudson which has a scoring factor of .660. Plus, these guys are really good at rallying.
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Packards up to 1950 had a single engine mount at the front below the water pump and a pair on the transmission. As I believe was mentioned earlier in this thread, unfortunately you'll need one from a 1949-1950 as the 1951 does not have the mounts on the sides. The casting has the place for them but they are not drilled or tapped.
As far as I know, Packard made their own transmissions and licensed the overdrive part.
Posted on: 7/14 19:07
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300lbs is a significant amount of material.
What is it about a 356 that makes it 300 lbs heavier than a 327? Is it the block? Can the longer stroke 356 crank be put into a 327 9 main block? If so, that would make a good combination. Big cubes and lighter weight.
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Borg Warner was supplying Packard with something, not sure if it was complete units. I had an ad for Borg with a 22nd series convertible on it touting their relationship
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