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Re: V8 WINDSHIELD Weatherstripping
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The shipment arrived at my house yesterday. Stay tuned for the results of my inspections of the materials.

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Re: V8 WINDSHIELD Weatherstripping
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These are the instructions I wrote so far on installing the conduits. It looks like a lot but this is doable in an afternoon, with no real sweat or tears, IMHO.

(Edit: the below instructions are obsolete, see my next post.)

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For sedans, unscrew the 2 tiny screws at the front of the front door window frame as well as the 2 screws holding the divider piece in place on the rear window frame, on both sides. Lift out the rear dividers then remove the rest of the window frame screws and lift out the frames. The frames slot into the door metal so they are usually a little stuck. By wiggling the frame and pinching it in towards the center of the door where it hangs up, it can be easily removed and lifted off the door.

For hardtops, unscrew the tiny screw at the front of the door windowsill piece, then unscrew the rest of the screws holding it on, on both sides. Be careful to not lose the special countersink washers. Lift off the windowsill.

Press the door card in, near the door handle, to create clearance to access the door handle retainer. Insert a thin flathead screwdriver (approx. 1/8” wide blade works well) behind the door handle. Be VERY CAREFUL that the screwdriver is going between the door handle and the escutcheon, not between the escutcheon and the large trim plate (front doors) or door card itself (rear doors / Deluxe all doors). Press the release tab while pulling and wiggling the door handle to remove it. Repeat on all doors.

Remove the door card screws holding the large trim plate to the door on the front of the front doo (N/A on Deluxe), and the two screws at the rear of the rear door card. Starting at the top rear corner, use a nylon trim tool or butter knife and run the tool behind the door card until a clip is encountered, then gently pry the clip out of the hole. To prevent creasing the door card, it may be necessary to pry on both the top and 2nd clip, pulling the second clip partway out, while pulling the top clip fully out, and continuing in sequence. Unclip the rest of the door card in this manner. When the card comes off, pull the wiring connector off the back of the power window switch. Repeat on all doors.

Photograph the wiring arrangement on both the driver and passenger switch for later reference. Remove the small screw(s) holding the back cover plate onto the connector body. Lift out the wiring connectors and bend the wires so that they are reasonably straight. Unplug the window motor wires: for the yellow wire, hold the wire on the MOTOR side while gripping the connector, to separate; for the black, hold the wire on the HARNESS side while gripping the connector. If applicable, unplug the power lock wire. Repeat on all doors.

Unscrew the 3 (most) or 4 (Caribbean) screws holding on the kick panels (the trim panels on the sides of the inside of the car, under the dash). Lift off the kick panels. (For reassembly, apply DAP Weldwood Landau Top Adhesive or similar to the rear of the panel before attaching. Follow the instructions on the can; generally you should apply it, screw the piece on very soon and press around the piece to transfer some adhesive to the body, then come back after a few minutes after the adhesive becomes tacky, and press the panels into place.)

For sedans, remove the reading light switch on the B-pillar. Starting near the top, pry at the side of the trim enough to see the clips which hold it on. Use a butter knife to press on each side of the clip to see which one is the springy side. Compress the clip in this manner and gently pull the trim away from the body. Repeat for the other clips. Repeat on the other side.

Remove the clamps holding the old rubber conduit on. Remove the conduit and harness as an assembly, going through the kick panel opening (B-pillar opening for sedan rear doors). Slide off the old conduit and install the new. Repeat on all doors.

Installation is reverse of disassembly. For reference, except the final paragraph above and the disaassembly/disconnection of the wiring harness connectors, and B pilllar trim removal, the flat rate book gives 1.8h for a two door; 3.0h for a four door.

Posted on: 6/16 10:36
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Re: V8 WINDSHIELD Weatherstripping
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I tested the door conduits today and they seem to work wonderfully. Here is a photo of the finished install.

Please see the instruction sheet that I wrote, attached, for detailed instructions and scope of work. I will include a printout with each set.

eBay listing coming soon. For now, PM to order.

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pdf 469349J Wiring Door Conduit.pdf Size: 646.13 KB; Hits: 33

Posted on: 6/21 23:14
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Re: V8 WINDSHIELD Weatherstripping
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Excellent write up, thanks for making it. I'm looking forward (kind of) to doing this project on my car.

Posted on: 6/22 10:18
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Re: V8 WINDSHIELD Weatherstripping
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Here are the instructions I wrote on the generic weatherstripping. I would appreciate any feedback.

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Re: V8 WINDSHIELD Weatherstripping
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Here are the instructions I wrote on the generic weatherstripping. I would appreciate any feedback.


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-Maybe indicate on the picture of the door what area the weatherstrip can be used. It gets confusing reading front upper, upper, rear upper, etc.

-I would suggest that one of the first steps should be to check and adjust door alignment so that new seals are trained to fit properly aligned doors. Along with a reminder that door gaps on vehicles from the 50's are not as consistent as modern vehicles.

-When I installed my door weatherstripping I found that the asymmetrical design does matter, that one way it tips a bit towards the car and the other a bit away. To help the seal stay on the surface of the body where it should it was best if it tipped away and that is how the factory seal was installed as well.

-I recommend the black adhesive if you have a black car like I do! LOL

-On the corners, which the factory ones had a separate molded piece glued in, it's important to make sure that the tip of the seal does lean towards the car too much, which it will naturally do as you go around the corner. You cover this a bit, but I think an illustration would be helpful.

-I found that if I did the straight runs as one or two applications, then did just the corners by themselves that worked well for me, but no more than about 12"-18" at one time. *Once the adhesive makes contact it's stuck, so be very careful when positioning it!

-I used a plastic knife and found it worked very well. Less is better when it comes to the adhesive and spread it quickly as it begins to set up right away and can't be evenly spread. It's a combination of being careful, but working as quickly as possible. I don't think you even have a minute as you suggested, I think you have about 20 seconds, depending on the temp.

-Do not install working in the sun or on a hot day!

-Page 3, paragraph 2 had "remainer" instead of "remainder".

-The weatherstrip on my car does not cover the weep holes at all and does not require drilling or cutting out. I'm not sure this is correct.

-I would not suggest the idea of skipping the the bottom of the doors. It will cut into your sales don't need extra places for dust, bugs etc to be able to get in.

-I found I had cut and extend the weather seal to cover the striker plate for the front door, like the factory seal.

-I would suggest not removing all door seals at once so when working on one side of the car you can reference the other side for where seals start and stop. This would be good to note in the instructions.

-I also found that the generic seal worked on the upper front portion of the front door. The end needs to be cut appropriately on my body style in order to channel the water into the A pillar seal.

-On the upper front of the rear door I find that the generic seal does not quite sit on top of the surface it's should seal against. I put a thin piece of cloth between the seal and the body of the car before I close the door and then carefully pull it out to pull the seal into place. I'm hoping that after a while the seal will stay in the correct position on it's own. This is a area that I should have been more careful to make sure the seal tipped out a bit more.

-Check to make sure they are making good contact by spraying foot powder on the car, close the door and then open to see if the seal has powder on it and has made good contact.

-Then set up the sprinkler and test for leaks. If you are out in your car and it rains, it's good to know if you need to find shelter right away, or if you're good to go.

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Re: V8 WINDSHIELD Weatherstripping
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Thanks. I'll comment on the rest later, but for now, it's my understanding that pretty much all the weatherstrips had molded pieces, if not being molded in their entirety. For example, the body side upper A-pillar weatherstrips on the V8 cars have an upper foam part that has only a slight curve, yet it was manufactured to exactly that shape even though just a straight extrusion would easily fit the curve.

Naturally, we now have this problem where even Steele door weatherstripping is just sold as an extrusion with no molded pieces except where critical. Guess it's time to make bevel joints or something.

Posted on: Today 12:45
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Re: V8 WINDSHIELD Weatherstripping
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53 Cavalier wrote:

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-Maybe indicate on the picture of the door what area the weatherstrip can be used. It gets confusing reading front upper, upper, rear upper, etc.


But I did indicate it directly on the figures shown with the corresponding terms...?

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53 Cavalier wrote:
-I would suggest that one of the first steps should be to check and adjust door alignment so that new seals are trained to fit properly aligned doors. Along with a reminder that door gaps on vehicles from the 50's are not as consistent as modern vehicles.


Good idea, I'll add it. Any favorite thread you know of with tips on how to do that?

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-When I installed my door weatherstripping I found that the asymmetrical design does matter, that one way it tips a bit towards the car and the other a bit away. To help the seal stay on the surface of the body where it should it was best if it tipped away and that is how the factory seal was installed as well.


That's correct, though how much it matters is debatable. AFAIK, Steele uses a symmetrical profile.

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-I recommend the black adhesive if you have a black car like I do! LOL


Yeah, that's why I noted it. If I have to tell the reader that specifically then they might want to find a different hobby.

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53 Cavalier wrote:
-On the corners, which the factory ones had a separate molded piece glued in, it's important to make sure that the tip of the seal does lean towards the car too much, which it will naturally do as you go around the corner. You cover this a bit, but I think an illustration would be helpful.


See above.

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-I found that if I did the straight runs as one or two applications, then did just the corners by themselves that worked well for me, but no more than about 12"-18" at one time. *Once the adhesive makes contact it's stuck, so be very careful when positioning it!


Right. The length you do at a time is more about how fast you can apply the stuff. I think I ended up about 24" at a time but I was doing it pretty sloppily (think of the car it's on).

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53 Cavalier wrote:
-I used a plastic knife and found it worked very well. Less is better when it comes to the adhesive and spread it quickly as it begins to set up right away and can't be evenly spread. It's a combination of being careful, but working as quickly as possible. I don't think you even have a minute as you suggested, I think you have about 20 seconds, depending on the temp.


The stuff is supposed to have a 2 min working time but yeah it tends to tack up as soon as you get it in a thin layer.

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-Do not install working in the sun or on a hot day!


Well, I did but it provides no benefit aside from building character.
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53 Cavalier wrote:
-Page 3, paragraph 2 had "remainer" instead of "remainder".


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53 Cavalier wrote:
-The weatherstrip on my car does not cover the weep holes at all and does not require drilling or cutting out. I'm not sure this is correct.


Seemed like it did on my 400. I'll have to investigate some more I guess.

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-I would not suggest the idea of skipping the the bottom of the doors. It will cut into your sales don't need extra places for dust, bugs etc to be able to get in.

Right, it's not a good idea, I was just being lazy on my Deluxe...

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53 Cavalier wrote:
-I found I had cut and extend the weather seal to cover the striker plate for the front door, like the factory seal.


Not sure what you mean by this...?

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53 Cavalier wrote:
-I would suggest not removing all door seals at once so when working on one side of the car you can reference the other side for where seals start and stop. This would be good to note in the instructions.


Right, I'll add it. Hopefully doesn't need to be said.

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-I also found that the generic seal worked on the upper front portion of the front door. The end needs to be cut appropriately on my body style in order to channel the water into the A pillar seal.


That's good. The V8's have an extra "special" (annoying) design in that regard so I'm glad that it worked.

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-On the upper front of the rear door I find that the generic seal does not quite sit on top of the surface it's should seal against. I put a thin piece of cloth between the seal and the body of the car before I close the door and then carefully pull it out to pull the seal into place. I'm hoping that after a while the seal will stay in the correct position on it's own. This is a area that I should have been more careful to make sure the seal tipped out a bit more.


I'll have to check. That's under the drip rail so not a super critical area. The biggest pain points are the front of the front door and "middle corner" on the rear of the rear door.

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53 Cavalier wrote:
-Check to make sure they are making good contact by spraying foot powder on the car, close the door and then open to see if the seal has powder on it and has made good contact.


I'll have to try that sometime.

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-Then set up the sprinkler and test for leaks. If you are out in your car and it rains, it's good to know if you need to find shelter right away, or if you're good to go.


Yeah I would rather just do this normally, as some areas aren't super important. Yeah "dust leaks" and so forth except that you have two wind tunnels right at the front of the car blasting in unfiltered air when you drive, so as long as there's not water leaking in then I'm good with it.

Posted on: Today 13:35
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Re: V8 WINDSHIELD Weatherstripping
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Currently writing the windshield weatherstrip instruction sheet...


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