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Re: Valves & seats
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Many Ford flatheads have valve guide seals that go in a groove in the outer diameter of the valve guide. This is true of the intake guides. I'm not sure about the exhaust. In 1949, Ford discontinued the mushroom valve stem tips which eliminated the need for the split valve guides.

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Valve seats can be too wide. Look up original specs and stick with them.


In the service manual they talk about the angles, 45 and 30, but do not talk about what the seat size/width should be. Maybe they do in a service bulletin somewhere, or maybe they weren't doing 3 angles?

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Some Packard valve guides were larger at the upper end than at the lower end. The pressure in the exhaust port can vary considerably under different operating conditions. Shop manuals are available on this website for most year models.

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I think they gave a spec ... somewhere. In most cases, the valve seat is considerably narrower than the valve face. The narrow contact tends to prevent debris like carbon from sticking to the valve or seat face and it gives a higher pressure contact than a wider seat would.

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I think they gave a spec ... somewhere. In most cases, the valve seat is considerably narrower than the valve face. The narrow contact tends to prevent debris like carbon from sticking to the valve or seat face and it gives a higher pressure contact than a wider seat would.


If Packard gives a spec on seat face size, I haven't been able to find it.

Yes, the seat face should be much less than the valve's face for the reasons you mention. Ideally the seat face should land in the middle of the valve face.

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The exhaust valves also run a lot hotter so who knows if a seal would even survive. The are accordingly made of a different metal (Austenitic steel instead of Silichrome or Martensitic) and use different clearances compared to the intake valve.


I don't think the valves being made out of different materials would have any bearing on stem seals.


What? They use different materials because they run hotter... It might get too hot for a rubber seal to ever work.

Seals themselves depend on surface finish, cylindricity, temperature, and lubricant type; little else.

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Keep in mind that on an overhead valve engine, the seals go on the rocker side opposite the exhaust and intake areas so are not subject to the suction of intake or the heat of exhaust. Unless you have something made of a really durable high-heat resistant material that clamps tightly onto the guide, I think its a big risk to do that kind of re-engineering. It seems a bit of over-thinking a problem that doesn't exist.

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Keep in mind that on an overhead valve engine, the seals go on the rocker side opposite the exhaust and intake areas so are not subject to the suction of intake or the heat of exhaust. Unless you have something made of a really durable high-heat resistant material that clamps tightly onto the guide, I think its a big risk to do that kind of re-engineering. It seems a bit of over-thinking a problem that doesn't exist.


Always over-thinking! LOL I often go round and round about why things are done one way and not another. But then 99% of the time things get done on my Cavalier just the way Packard did then.

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