This doesn't happen often, but the time and place line up right for me...I happen to live about 6 miles from the P.M. in warren, and even though the water pump is dodgy on the old girl, i should be there with her i believe sunday. Another group i belong to (Youngstown Rod and Custom) will be there for the general car show, and i didn't make any kind of arrangements or registering at the museum so i'll just be parking with them like some lowly non-packard ;)

Even though YR&C is all about street rods, etc and packard owners are usually about keeping it original, they LOVE the packard car shows and our cars, so they're excited.


Also, out of about 7000 cars at the goodguys nationals in columbus a week or so ago, i was the ONLY 1950 packard, although there were a few older ones there that had a cadillac 500, a viper driveline (in a boat tail roadster) and a buick 455 in them. And i do believe i saw only one car the entire weekend with a straight 8 in it at all, although i didn't catch if it was a pontiac, etc.

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Man we had a 9N tractor about 15 years ago when i lived with the parents...had the high and low range selector! We restored it and actively used it to farm...real fun tractor


For the thread: I'm 27, current toy list:

50 packard (original except converting to six volt + ground alt and pertronix ignition)

50 chevy currently being hot rodded out with pontiac 455

2005 mustang (not near as fun as the other cars)

81 yamaha triple motorcycle

old inline 4cyl motorboat



I guess i'm waiting for some of you collectors out there to sell me some of your toys when you're too old to enjoy them

just poking fun! no offense!

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It's out in the truck right now, headed back to the swap meet tomorrow. I'll put up pics probably Sunday night after we get back and everything put away. Or maybe Monday morning. I don't know what was changed technically to make it positive ground, but he checked 15 times to make sure i wanted positive ground, and said the apocalypse would occur if i hooked it up negative ground.


What will my amp meter read with an alternator hooked up? I'll have to research this some more before i do it, i think i have to bypass an external regulator.

Anyone try LED tail light replacement bulbs? I think that'd be a safe change to keep us all from being rear ended, 12v or 6v.

Just got home from the swap meet, found a guy selling 6 volt positive or negative ground alternators your choice, the alternator doesn't do both) for $70, and $20 for the wide belt pulley. I thought it was a fine price and picked one up. Now i don't have to switch to negative ground and buy a different pertronix unit for under the cap. (The solid state units need to be hooked up correctly and have different part numbers for positive or negative ground)

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I bet if you looked up that part number at the dealership, it'd be a $50 ford specialty tool :)

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220v? I can't WAIT until i have a mig welder i can run off of a cigarette lighter outlet!


In reference to the above, yes, i was looking for a 6v alternator that looked like a generator. On this car, i do want it to look and seem original, just less troublesome on daily driving, such as the dim lights etc. Probably going to try LED bulbs in the rear and check to make sure previous owner doesn't have 12V bulbs up front.

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All very true...if you're willing to learn about older technology it usually is easier to fix and cheaper than to swap out. But when you're done you have the same limitations that the technology had in the first place.

And lets not forget, if they HAD the technology we had back then, it'd be in the car. Packard wasn't prejudiced against 12 volt or disc brakes or power anything or negative ground.

And DRIVING NEEDS CHANGE. The word reliable then doesn't mean the same as now. If you drove on a hot day back then and lost some antifreeze when you parked it, that's how it was. Now if my 05 mustang was leaking antifreeze out the overflow, i'd know something was wrong.

Model T's needed a rebuild, what, every 3500 miles? So if you had the chance to put better bearings and oiling in one to last double that, you wouldn't? Just so your grandkids don't go "grampa, you haven't rebuild the A in awhile, did you ruin it? Is it still a real model A?"

The line of originality is different for everyone. I see 12 volt, when done tastefully, as still original enough for a driver. th350 behind a straight 8 because the ultramatic died? Maybe. Big Block under the hood of the 50? Ok, that's my line. Front Disc with power booster? LED bulb replacements? Yes, if it keeps people from smashing packards from not seeing them or packards not stopping in time for some kid on a cell phones crazy turn across your lane. I'm ok with that. Seatbelts? Already added them to mine.

I have a 1950 6V positive system still in my eight. I have to say that i love the barely-on headlights at idle and people almost running me down on the highway because the tail lights aren't that bright. I love that i can't use a phone charger on long trips because the car's opposite of what's normal. By love i'm sure you can tell i mean NOT LOVE. Sure i put up with it, but on some days i just think...hey...i'll drive the mustang today. Then less people get to see the work that USED to go into American cars because, honestly, it's a little bit of work to drive something with those inconveniences.

But i have to say, in any hobby i get into, whether it's hand guns or cars or bikes or whatever, there's always someone saying how thing's SHOULD be and how cheap hand guns aren't real guns and how Chevy 350's in an old straight six car takes away all it's charm. Funny how old timers still stop and ask about an old car even if it's been modified so it's "not old" or "authentic" anymore.

That kind of snobbery (and it IS snobbery to have an OPINION that you feel is close to FACT on a subject that is SUBJECTIVE and therefore can't be PROVEN) is exactly what drives people away from hobbies. You want Packards to live on for future generations? I bet at 27 i'm one of the youngest people on this board. Keep heckling people that want to change the Packards they paid good money for and the people new to the hobby who don't get the "Packard experience" yet and they'll end up discouraged, or worse yet, do mods without advice and butcher the car. All the Packards will end up rusting into dust, and the Packard enthusiast hobby and cars will fade away and die with the "Purists" that pushed everyone out.

I'm all for originality, but if it came down to a Pontiac 455 in my Packard or no Packard at all (because i couldn't source a replacement engine, bought one without, etc) i'd be the first one to fire up torches and yanking that old motor and ultramatic out.

Over at chevytalk.org i'm in the 49-54 boards working on my street rod 50 chevy. (that IS getting a pontiac 455 and coil springs on all four corners) There are hardcore inliners there who are all about originality and guys who cram V8's in by the dozen. Everyone learns from everyone and still get's along. i really think we could learn something from that.


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Consider one of the alternators that have been modified with a smaller pulley and to restrict output to 6v. You have to go negative ground, but not much needs changed and it's more reliable and better charging than even a new generator, still 6v system.


Has anyone found a way to "hide" an alternator as a generator? Some kind of case cover or something?