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Re: 1950 Packard color
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Thanks for posting. Does the owner have the actual paint code, maybe off of the build slip (if he was lucky enough to find one of them)?

Posted on: 10/24 9:01:26
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Re: 1950 Packard color
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I've never seen that color on a 22nd or 23rd series Packard before. I'm going out on a limb and saying it's probably a re-paint in a non-factory color.

Posted on: 10/22 16:46:59
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Re: Back-Up Lights on 50 Deluxe
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Don, the only difference between a 1949 23rd series and a 1950 23rd series is the data plate. The 1950 data plate has a '-5-' between the model and serial numbers. I have the build sheet for the car and it shows it was originally numbered as a 1949. The Briggs body tag also shows a serial number that is consistent with the build sheet. The factory stamped data plate shows a very much higher serial number and the '-5-'. It is definitely a factory renumbered 1949 model.

Packard renumbered many unsold 23rd series 1949 models as 1950 models. The late author, Robert J. Neal, agreed that my car was a renumbered model.

Posted on: 9/20 7:45:10
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Re: Back-Up Lights on 50 Deluxe
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Someone in the past installed backup lights on my 1949-renumbered-as-a-1950 Custom. These lights were (I assumed) from the '51-'55 accessories. They are set up to go on when the Ultramatic is in the reverse gear. The wiring was routed through the hood opening mechanism hole which leads me to believe they were not installed by a Packard dealer. They have been temporarily disconnected until I can re-route the wiring in a way less likely to burst into flame.

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Posted on: 9/19 15:32:06
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Re: brake lights not coming on
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PackardDon wrote:
Silicon brake fluid IS DOT-3 and DOT-4...


?? DOT-5 is silicon based... DOT-3, DOT-4 are not. DOT-5 is incompatible with 3 or 4.

Posted on: 9/2 13:55:32
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Re: 1940 super eight 160 series 1804 model 1362 138" Wheelbase: making it driveable
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To the best of my knowledge, the oil bath air cleaner with the wide skirt around the oil bath was standard with the later 356 engines. The other was the accessory model as seen in the accessory brochures.

Posted on: 9/1 7:19:55
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Re: Lovecraft Country
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Regardless of data plate information, all Station Sedans were 22nd Series. None were made during the 23rd Series, the unsold ones were just re-numbered as 23rd Series. No changes whatsoever.

Posted on: 8/30 7:10:43
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Re: 356 Water Pump Hub Height
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It does make sense. Thanks.

Posted on: 8/18 15:11:45
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Re: 356 Water Pump Hub Height
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HH56 wrote:
...I am wondering if the shaft length might be another difference that was a compromise to get one assy. The new shaft looks a bit shorter in that photo and it would appear that to get the 1/2" behind the hub it might be recessed into the hub a slight bit in the front.


Actually, the old pump shaft was recessed considerably, maybe 1/4". But not to worry... it was secured firmly with a messy splash of welding . I'll see what a machine shop can do make the new pump work for my '50. Will advise.

P.S. The new pump was not purchased from Kanter or Max.

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Posted on: 8/17 14:45:04
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356 Water Pump Hub Height
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In July of 2011 I purchased a water pump for a Packard 356 engine. I purchased it as something I might need in the future (I have 3 Packards with 356 engines and I figured I would need to replace a pump sooner or later). It's now later and I pulled the pump from my '50 Custom and was about to install the new pump when I noticed that the pulley couldn't possibly clear the pump. I assumed I had been sent the wrong pump from the vendor but based on a recent post from HH56 I think all I have to do is take the pump to a machine shop and have the hub pressed out to match the height of the old pump.
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I don't know the exact details on a six pump but I too was surprised a new repro pump was available for the 356 engine.

I asked the Packard guys at Kanter about this since the 356 was not in the scheme of things, a large production engine. If I remember correctly the answer was the water pump bodies themselves were essentially identical on all the common or mass produced inline engines from the mid 30s thru the 50 models. Not sure if that statement holds for the pre 1940 senior super eight engines though.

Anyway, the reason they were available for low volume engines was the only significant difference between pumps had to do with the size of the fan hub and the distance it was pressed onto the shaft. A single common repro pump could thus be used by only pressing on the correct size hub and setting it the proper distance for the particular year and engine.


The photo shows the pump from the '50 on the left and the replacement pump on the right. There's quite a difference in hub height. Am I correct in thinking that I can have the hub 'raised' to match the old pump and then should be good to go?

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Posted on: 8/17 13:26:33
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