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They are Dupont dealers, that's the strange thing.
Was he correct in what he said about finish?
Posted on: 2010/12/30 10:55
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No car company could afford to use nitrocellulose lacquer in the fifties. It was just too expensive and labor intensive. As I said before, the only cars I know that got that finish, were special order custom built Chrysler Imperial limousines, that were finished at the Derham custom body works. The Chrysler factory did not have the facilities.
I believe the pyroxilin synthetic enamel was the standard finish before the acrylics (enamel and lacquer) came along in about 1955. The acrylics were more durable and easier to apply, even then only the Cadillacs and other expensive cars got the acrylic lacquer. Maybe some of the old timers can tell us exactly what Packard was using in 1954. I bet it wasn't nitro lacquer.
Posted on: 2010/12/30 11:49
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Rusty, I can assure you that my 54 Patrician was factory-painted in lacquer.
The durability of lacquer, especially nitrocellulose, often comes into question, and in some colors, especially some of the metallics, it didn't have the greatest resistance to the elements. But in most solid colors it can have great surviveability, witness the # of original cars of 70 or 80 years in age with respectable OEM paint. Yes, it does cry out for an annual polish. Though the fenders were repainted after some body work, as well as the hood and sidemount cover, the body tub on my 34 Eight has original paint is is still quite presentable, though in spots it's beginning to fail over the solder joints on the roof - a common problem.
Posted on: 2010/12/30 11:53
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We may be quibbling over semantics. It seems pyroxilin and nitrocellulose are closely related.
My point still stands, that the finish on 1954 Packards was not the finicky hand rubbed lacquer used on prewar luxury cars. It was the same modern type paint used by other car manufacturers at that time and no special treatment should be necessary when repaintng.
Posted on: 2010/12/30 12:00
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I want to remove the Convertible top frame, sand blast it, prime and repaint. The removal of frame easy to do?
Should frame be painted black or same color as the body color? And what is a waterborne system ?
Posted on: 2010/12/30 13:25
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Look in the 22nd thru 54th series parts book. On page 517 group # 31.000 top Assy-folding. It has Tan less fabric, less fabric, Green less fabric. What color are the bows now?
Posted on: 2010/12/30 13:37
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I figured Europe would be all Water Bourne color coats. I know European production vehicles have been for quite a while. The US was actually late in adopting Water Bourne paints.
Not sure if the laws are the same there, but in Calif a "hobbyist" can paint two cars a years in just about anything. Shops cannot, it all comes down to VOCs. Every paint job for a shop is allotted a certain amount of VOCs. So if you are spraying Base/Clear. The clear is using up all the VOC allotment, so you have to spray a water Bourne/based color coat. If you shoot single stage, then the color coat can be the "good stuff" as you would not have a Clear coat using up all the VOCs.
Posted on: 2010/12/30 15:31
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Perhaps on the Packard Paint X-Ref page, the color Orchard green can be updated. The new color code match is
GS 157
Posted on: 2010/12/30 16:02
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waterborne = water paint like the latex paint you paint your house with. Supposedly less pollution because it does not have the oils and solvents of the old type paints.
Posted on: 2010/12/30 16:04
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