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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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Thanks, Howard. I've seen those assembly-line photos lowering the bodies o so carefully. With this info I'm going to wrap it up, put some rags around the pedal access and attempt putting it in from the top. It doesn't go down very far. Once the steering is connected, I can take her off these dollies and, with a few more steps, move around on its own power.
Joe

Posted on: 2010/12/10 12:54
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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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In post #11 Joe wrote:

"I couldn't find a formula for the brownish color used for so many parts on the inside of the car. The only part I had left with that color was the steering column."

If the 1940 interior trim color is the same as in 1941, then you need to use PPG Delstar DAR 23013.

It is a light tan color used on the steering column and the hand brake. Maybe the top bows too and maybe some misc. small parts - cannot remember all just now.

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Posted on: 2010/12/11 14:36
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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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The correct color is more brownish and darker than what I see in the above photo. I suppose the flash may have lightened it up considerably, so it's hard to tell from photos.

Posted on: 2010/12/13 9:57
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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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I think I have as close as match as I can get. On the Internet, that particular DAR 23013 is very light... 1948 Studebaker Rodeo Tan.And this photo of Dave's beautiful twin had the right brown...see outer center of steering wheel and gear shift lever.

Also my top rails and gear shift column.

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Posted on: 2010/12/13 12:08
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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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the 41-2 color is as West describes - I think I found a stock rattle can decent match. The 40 rim and column (at least in this example) are darker, yellower than the 41-2

Posted on: 2010/12/13 13:05
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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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SPLASHERS: I cut an addition to the right splasher that had been cut out decades ago. Then prepped the splashers for painting, semi-gloss black.

STEERING GEAR AND COLUMN: If the steering box can go through the floor board, I couldn't figure out or maneuver it to go through. It may have been because I had the whole thing wrapped like a rolled roast, but no way would it go from the top down. I pulled the brake and clutch levers all the way to the floor and wired them. That didn't help. I jacked the car up as high as I could and came very close to getting the steering end through the floor from the bottom. But just not close enough. The left steering tube was in the way. For those who have never removed a steering tube, you don't need to remove the nuts on the tie-rod ends. And you have to turn the tube in reverse and miraculously it comes off at both ends. How do they do that? (The rest of you can have a chuckle.) Anyway, I removed the tube, cleaned it and the clamps up for repainting. Once it was out the steering column went right up into the cab. I have to paint the tube before I put it back and set the steering.

TAUPE PAINT: Besides the column, that brown color goes on the top rails and bows, including the front and back wooden bows, the hand brake, and the center body of the steering wheel. It seems that the gear shift levers on the steering column were not painted, but they may be brown, too.

CHROME: The last load of Duchess bling arrived in time to be put under the tree.

HEAT RISER: The cover from MaxMerrit also arrived. I need smaller stainless washers, but otherwise, the reunion should help the engine run smoother on warm up.

Merry Christmas, Joe.

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Posted on: 2010/12/25 13:35
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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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STEERING: It's a little more complicated than I thought, but not bad. The steering rods have to be the same length with 1/2" and the toe-in miniscule. I'm still not sure if I have the steering arm on the spline in exactly the right place (they didn't mark it on early cars) but it all connected, nothing mashed, and the wheels turn.
With the steering in I was able to remove the dollies. I bought the wrong kind, from Napa, and they don't roll at all. But they are stacked under the work bench now waiting to move a piano, and the Duchess is at last resting on all 4s.

SPLASHERS: Paint came out great. I'm going to reconnect skeletal wiring, so I can start the car and touch up some the engine compartment paint before replacing them and the front fenders.

PAINT: I'm finally getting the knack of mixing paint ingredients to get the result I want and smoother motions with the little gun I use. The 4 oz pot is perfect for parts. I use a tiny dixie cup for each can I have to dip into and pour each into a drinking size paper cup, maybe 12 oz. So I can refill the pot 3 or 4 times. I improved a stand to hold the gun upright when it's attached to the air hose.

It feels good to look at the Duchess on the ground. Seems much more manageable.

Posted on: 2010/12/28 15:35
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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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Joe, I noticed something in your last photo ("columnIn"). The oil filter-pressure gauge unit-hydraulic line fitting looks suspicious. I may be mistaken but your engine looks to have a connection not like others I have seen on these 356s.

Usually there is a four way brass fitting that fits into an outlet port (male 1/8" NPT). It has two holes for inverted flare fittings. One of these goes to the oil filter and the other (through a short tube) goes back into the engine for the hydraulic lifters. These fitting holes have a restriction in them where the others are full size. Lastly, it has a 1/8" NPT female fitting where the oil pressure gauge fits.

The conventional fitting, with restrictions, is important to maintain pressure while providing oil flow to the filter and lifters.

Yours looks different than this to me, but it is hard to tell from the photo. Just wanted to make you aware of this.

(o(I}o)

Posted on: 2010/12/28 16:16
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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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JW-

It is different. It seems we may have had difficulty getting exactly the right fittings. I think this was a change to improve flow to the lifters from the original set up. There was a Service Manual note about this and I believe this is the revised set up recommended. I hope so anyway. I'll take a photo of it and a better photo of my engine and we'll see if we did it right. The fellow who supervised it, Jim Classen, passed away but he is featured on the Oregon Packards homepage http://www.packardsoforegon.com/
and very knowledgeable esp on Packard engines. Tonight I'll see if I can find the picture of what we were supposed to do. Thanks for noticing. This engine is out of a 48 or 50 Custom 8. I have a 40 356 engine to restore and hold in reserve when the Duchess is done, but I have dreams of driving a lot on this engine when I'm finished with the car. It will be my out when the purists come tail-pipe peeping.

Joe

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Re: The Duchess Project: 1940 Super 8 Convertible Sedan
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The factory screwed up and sent us parts that don't match their diagram. It wouldn't be the first time. Detroit thinks Portland is out with the covered wagons. We did the best we could.

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