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Much as it's useful to have "average" or typical costs for things like engine rebuilds, interiors, paint and the like, it's important to take into account the scope of the work and the standards to which it is being done. For example does an engine rebuild require new or reprofiled cam and new cam followers, or just a cam and follower polishing; did the crank have counterweights to be removed, were the engine accessories (starter, generator, water pump, etc.) also done; was a radiator recore included? Were all the engine cosmetics done (just the manifold porcelainizing and nickel plating on a senior can be a tidy bill)? I've seen more than one top-notch rebuild of a 356 engine including accessories and cosmetics top $15,000 and the detachable block seniors can easily approach or exceed that.
Ditto for paint work. While you can get a nice paint job on a good, straight and prepped body for $7000 or so, a superb (Pebble Quality) paint job can cost $35,000 - more probably more than that. Likewise for interiors, an interior on a senior closed car if you have to have materials made can be 3 or 4 times that of a junior convertible. I have a friend that just had a complete leather interior and top done for a Twelve convertible Victoria to standards that should put him in the top of AACA judging but probably not Pebble quality, cost was near $30,000. If an interior restoration also includes restoration of dash instruments, think even higher. So when speaking of costs we need to take into account the standards to which the job is being done, and the inclusiveness of the work.
Posted on: 2015/7/9 11:08
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Now this is maybe a stupid question, but what would be the difference in a AACA versus Pebble Beach paint job? Can you see the difference?
Let me ask it different: if that brand new 1936 Packard would roll out of the Packard plant today, would that be a AACA or a Pebble Beach quality paint job, or would it be neither?
Posted on: 2015/7/9 13:18
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The first step in getting to rabble beach is to go to a tire store in a minority neighborhood and get some chrome wheels. The next step is to go to a hot rod shop and have them take a grinder to your chrome radiator shell, cover it with putty, and paint it over the same way as a T-Bucket. Next go to Maaco for non-authentic base coat clear coat paint. Then you need some Packard 120 fender lights. Finally, a little Mercedes-Benz style leather for the interior.
Now to really get with the in crowd you need to do this to either a nice original car or one that has already been torn down fifty times by every shop in the country. It also doesn't hurt to make up a little tacky historyonics to boot. If they gave me free tickets, hotel, food, and a top dollar call girl, I still wouldn't waste my time going there.
Posted on: 2015/7/9 15:15
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Hi
Fortunately, none of us have to worry about being invited to show at Pebble Beach or any Concours.....well, except maybe...Owen...if they feature original cars. But, if folks want to sink the family fortune into a collector car, I'll have some looks.....might be a dumb thing to do in general but its their (mis)fortune to spend as they see fit. Now, back to our program in progress: A '51 200 sedan for comparison, 36K, green, pricier than the Indiana 200: http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/5102832223.html A sweet '39 110 sedan, dark blue, gray interior, needs engine repainted from Ford Blue, economical daily driver: http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/5112865640.html A handsome two-tone '41 coupe, looks like a 110, someone should get this away from its unappreciative owner, who thinks it needs to be "converted into an AWESOME hot rod": http://scranton.craigslist.org/cto/5090188166.html A trio of '53's, two Cavaliers and a Mayfair: http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/5103050258.html http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/5073928135.html http://redding.craigslist.org/cto/5089155535.html A '54 Cavalier, Colorado solid, blue, 91K miles: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5109348842.html Every Packard here guaranteed to need something corrected, money and time expended on it but that's the joy of old cars! Steve
Posted on: 2015/7/9 16:41
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Howard / Brian
I hear ya loud and clear, and again part of why I started my shop. To keep costs down we became reps for Engine/transmission, and other components. I can make a 10% mark up on components and still save people over direct costs. V-8's 352, 374 with the works, I have $1500 in the machining, Boring, honing, decking block/ Heads, re-bushing rods, Hardened seats, valve job, (porting optional), cam and crank ground with original Packard blanks. New pistons, internals etc. assembled broke in on stand out the door $3995. I have a 374 just going up on the stand and will be posting the assembly on my blog. I have a 48 and a 53 straight 8 I will be doing soon, and I will be able to lock in my pricing on them. Paint is the highest cost, A 55-56 Patrician aprox $4k just in materials 10k painted cleared sanded out the door. Chrome- ie. 1956's 56 Front Upper $525 56 Front Lower $475 56 Front Guards, Each $150 56 Front Upper (Clipper) $525 56 Front Lower (Clipper) $475 56 Front Guards, Each (Clipper) $150 56 Rear Center $400 56 Rear Ends, Each $250 56 Rear Guards, Each $150 56 Rear Center (Clipper) $385 56 Rear Ends, Each (Clipper) $240 56 Rear Guards, Each (Clipper) $150 I try to be fair on prices and make a living not a stealing. I love to help others out, Am I nuts????
Posted on: 2015/7/9 17:35
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Some prewar packards :
1936 1400 http://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/5112815136.html 4 prewar cars (1 41 packard ) http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5112622438.html 1928 sedan http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/5113307319.html
Posted on: 2015/7/10 11:41
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For anybody wanting a prewar convertible with RHD:
https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/5119560959.html
Posted on: 2015/7/12 15:23
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Hi
Many Contours and V8's to pick up before they're gone: '53 Clippers: Two Deluxes, both look quite good: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/5076507429.html Two-tone green, stick with OD: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/5082452794.html A Special: stick, bit pricy with painted chrome: http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/cto/5118614165.html A '54 Clipper, owner seems confused as to make and model year, cheap enough: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/5071884469.html An instant Packard project collection, eleven total, someone needs to talk sense to owner about overall value, interesting '54 Patrician: http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/5107521700.html Steve
Posted on: 2015/7/13 17:57
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Steve
I spotted that "Packard collection". the seller and I have exchanged emails about other cars. He is a typical Craigs Lister. Claims buyers are flocking to his cars and trucks and paying whatever he is asking. Meanwhile, many of his cars are in long grasses looking like a swampy humid pasture right now. I am amazed that these cars and all the other cars he has listed on ebay are there in this day and age. Someone accumulated quite a collection. He has a 49 Frazer, several rare International trucks and more. Now all of a sudden, they go on CL? If he priced all of them at $1000 to $1500 he would pocket $40,000 and find several deserving cars new homes. Of those, a few would be restored and returned to the gene pool. Unfortunately, some people get greedy.
Posted on: 2015/7/13 21:09
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I restore the car, and the car restores me.
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