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turn signal flashers
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David Grubbs
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On my 51 200, the turn signal indicator light hasn't worked in a long time. Last year I put in a new three prong "Heavy Duty Flasher, fuse input lead, 535, 6 volt, 32 CP Max 6" that I got at CarQuest. The turn signals would work, but not the indicator light. Upon talking to one of my older car mechanics, he suggested replacing the flasher. I found an old one in the parts bin and put it in. Low and behold the indicator light now works. I'm wondering if the one I bought last year had too much capacity for the bulbs, and therefore wasn't working properly. Any suggestions out there?

Posted on: 2012/4/18 14:47
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Would also love to know. Have had quite a problem getting new flashers to light the indicator. I save every old flasher I can find, even take them apart and clean them.

Posted on: 2012/4/18 17:35
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Here is a little comparison of today's model 535 flasher (NAPA NF535) which is supposed to be the direct replacement for our 6v flashers to an original Packard issue 6v model as used up till 48 - 49 timeframe. Electrically, the later 1950 on plug in types are identical except they go by 1,2,3 on the wiring diagrams instead of X,P,L. Did not look at a 12v version but expect it is the same electrically.

May have found the problem as to why some have issues with no indicator flashing. The replacements use a transistor to turn on the dash indicator. The old style uses a second contact which also appears to be thermally operated. It almost looks like a relay arrangement. Thermal closes a contact to bring in what appears to be a relay arm. Would have to fire it up to verify exactly how it is working.

Will be the first to admit my transistor theory was over 40 years ago, very basic and not used since then. One of you better electronics guys please feel free to contradict. The schematic as I believe it to be is shown.

The transistor appears to be a 9012 which lists out as a PNP. I believe the transistor as used is for a 6v negative ground and that may be the issue. It alone lights the indicator lights while the conventional thermal operates the signal lamps. When the thermal switches the signal light contact on it also is supposed to turn on the transistor but at what I think is reverse polarity, it can't.

One way to check would be to temporarily switch the battery and see if that theory holds -- but if the flasher has already been installed, the transistor may be toast.

Anyway, my two cents idea and probably only worth half that.

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Posted on: 2012/4/19 20:40
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Thanks - very interesting study and probably right on the money. My Dad gave me several old 6 volt flasher units. Didn't realize what a valuable prize that was. I wonder if I could wire in a separate light as an indicator light. I get accused of being old enough without going down the road with the turn signals going.....

Posted on: 2012/4/20 19:35
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Disconnect P terminal and reconnect it to L terminal????

Posted on: 2012/4/20 22:16
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After trying numerous flashers in our 1951-1953 Packards, the only one that I and several others in our club has found that works properly is a Tung-Sol 6-volt 229D.

Posted on: 2012/4/21 9:27
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Quote:

packick wrote:
After trying numerous flashers in our 1951-1953 Packards, the only one that I and several others in our club has found that works properly is a Tung-Sol 6-volt 229D.


The 229D is the top picture with contacts instead of a transistor. There is also a P229D which appears to be the plug in type. Used on many cars.

Still available from several places but looks like they are starting to get scarce. After a quick look at a few of the sites, NOS Tung-Sols are sometimes double & triple what the 535 costs at the same site. As Owen_Dyneto keeps reminding us, Stock up now.

Posted on: 2012/4/21 9:54
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Finally cured the mystery of the non functioning front right turn signal. While changing the modern flasher fuse back to an older model, I noticed that one of the metal tabs in the flasher holder under the dash was recessed. I pulled off the two curved metal tabs that hold the holder to the bracket. What I didn't realize is that the flasher fuse holder is just a plastic device,with several metal connectors feeding into the back. I repositioned the metal connectors into the plastic and reinstalled the two curved metal tabs. I then inserted the flasher fuse and lo and behold, the turn signal worked! Never thought about the holder as the culprit. Hope this helps others - let me know if anyone wants photos.

Posted on: 2012/5/21 22:00
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Are you speaking of the 3 wire holder the flasher unit plugs into or the 6 wire plug connecting loom to switch?

Are you still running the Tung-Sol 229D flasher or did you happen to try the supposed 535 replacement again after fixing the connection.

Posted on: 2012/5/21 22:07
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This was the device that three prong flasher fuse plugs into. I did try the NAPA 535 "trust me it fits" flasher - it does work, but the turn signal indicator light on the dash does not. It does work with the older flasher fuse.

Posted on: 2012/5/22 20:17
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