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Fram oil filters - metallic hard facts & rubbery opinions
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"... I set out to every auto parts store in my area and bought every brand of oil filter I could find ... I was able to find nearly 30 different filters spanning several brand names .... I have also taken a look at the following other filters ...

- Mopar Filters ...
- German Filters ...
- Toyota Filters ...

Recommended Filters

--> Fram Tough Guard
Even with all the problems of the other Fram filters, this one is not too bad. It has a heavier filter element with more surface area, a silicone anti-drainback valve, the cheap pressure relief valve, but with an integral screen to keep out large particles, and enough inlet holes for good flow. The only other drawback to this filter is that it is capped on each end with cardboard instead of metal. Looking in through the center outlet does not reveal any paper end caps, but they are there. I personally do not use this filter, but the design didn't have enough bad qualities to cause me to tell others to avoid it.
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Filter to avoid
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--> Fram Extra Guard
Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter (the radioactive-orange cans) is one of the worst out there. It features cardboard end caps for the filter element that are glued in place. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals against the cardboard and frequently leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak all the time. The stamped-metal threaded end is weakly constructed and it has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow. I had one of these filters fail in my previous car. The filter element collapsed and bits of filter and glue were circulating through my system. The oil passage to the head became blocked and the head got so hot from oil starvation that it actually melted the vacuum lines connected to it as well as the wires near it.

--> Fram Double Guard
Another bad filter idea brought to you by your friends at Fram. The filter itself is a slightly improved design over the Fram Extra Guard, but still uses the same filter element. It has a silicone anti-drainback valve, a quality pressure relief valve, and enough inlet holes for good flow. The big problem is that they are trying to cash in on the Slick 50 craze. They impregnate the filter element with bits of Teflon like that found in Slick 50. As with Slick 50, Teflon is a solid and does not belong in an engine. It cannot get into the parts of the engine that oil can and therefore does nothing. Also, as the filter gets dirty, it ends up filtering the Teflon right out. DuPont (the manufacturer of Teflon) does not recommend Teflon for use in internal combustion engines. Please do not waste your money on this filter.

--> Fram High Mileage
Yet another bad filter idea brought to you by your friends at Fram! Gotta love these guys. It's a Fram Extra Guard with a weird goo cartridge suspended on the clean side of the filter, blocking the outlet. It's supposed to be some kind of additive package, but if you want a high mileage oil, buy a high mileage oil. I don't trust these guys ... sorry. ..."



[Copyright ? 1996-2008 Russ W. Knize
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Posted on: 2011/8/30 17:50
The story of ZIS-110, ZIS-115, ZIL-111 & Chaika GAZ-13 on www.guscha.de
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Re: Mythbuster #777 Fram Oil Filters
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If you look at the below image, you can see the inside of the filter is collapsed. If you look at the other pics on the thread, the outside of the canister is fine. Unless this is some elaborate hoax, which again, i doubt as that gentleman has never seemed dishonest, it would really appear that filter has collapsed. I don't have a fram filter apart here, but if it is insisted that there is no rubber inside that size and shape, i'll get the model number, cut one open and find that piece. I'm sure it seals something up near the top inside the filter. I'll make a video so some can't say that i "slipped it in there." Now, does even the best filter maker in the world make a mistake? of course. But to say in this instance that the filter didn't fail and someone is lying for attention? It's just more likely the filter failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor


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Posted on: 2011/8/30 20:12
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Re: Mythbuster #777 Fram Oil Filters
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Gusha,

According to the quotes you posted, the person said the Fram Extra Gard was inferior because it now had cardboard end caps.
As I showed in another forum, Fram filters form the 50's-today had cardboard end caps glued in place. Sio if
Fram used to be a quality filter manufacturer and he contends it no longer is, what's the big deal with the end caps.

He is practicing guilt by insunuation, an art perfected by Sen Joseph McCarthy. You will please note that he does not state or even speculate what is wrong with cardboard end caps, just having them is bad enough....or back in the 50's very good. Will he please make up his mind??

Her states different construction of different filters, but has no failure of filter or engines to back up supposed quality issues. His qualifications?? Licensed professional engineer, automotive engineer specializing in engines?? Glen Beck's understudy, Groucho's understudy??

Posted on: 2011/8/30 21:09
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Re: Mythbuster #777 Fram Oil Filters
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Cortcomp,

Define what you mean by "the filter failed". I do not see any signs of filter failure. I cannot see that the filter medium is ruptured, I cannot see that the can is burst, I cannot see that the bypass valve is broken/compromised. Remember I've cut many filters apart.

Tell me, what sign of failure can you see?? Inside most filters of the same brand are nearly identical, the medium may differ in composition or size, number of pleats, the diameter of the mounting hole may differ, the number/size of inlet holes may differ.

Posted on: 2011/8/30 21:14
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Fram oil filters - metallic hard facts & rubbery opinions
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Quote:
...According to the quotes you posted, the person said the Fram Extra Gard was inferior because it now had cardboard end caps...

He mentioned cardboard end caps. In the original as well as in the unchanged quotation it reads: "...It features cardboard end caps for the filter element that are glued in place...". Your statement seems to be afflicted with an interpretation.
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...As I showed in another forum, Fram filters form the 50's-today had cardboard end caps glued in place. Sio if Fram used to be a quality filter manufacturer and he contends it no longer is, what's the big deal with the end caps...

You showed that specific Fram filters from 50 - today had cardboard end caps glued in place. The implied supposition that all Fram filters from 50 - today had cardboard end caps glued in place seems to be based on a belief.
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...He is practicing guilt by insunuation, an art perfected by Sen Joseph McCarthy. You will please note that he does not state or even speculate what is wrong with cardboard end caps, just having them is bad enough....or back in the 50's very good. Will he please make up his mind??...

I noted that he doesn't state or even speculate what is wrong with cardboard end caps. I additionally noted that you stated or speculated that just having them would be bad. That seems to be a consequential error perhaps based on a misbelief potentially afflicted with a misinterpretation.
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...Her states different construction of different filters, but has no failure of filter or engines to back up supposed quality issues. His qualifications?? Licensed professional engineer, automotive engineer specializing in engines?? Glen Beck's understudy, Groucho's understudy??

Yes, he states different constructions of different filters. Just like you. And he additionally states that "...These pages are NOT to be taken as gospel...". Permit me to remark that exactly this certain degree of humility seems to depart from your standard.
He frankly states his full name, his qualification and even his motivation. How about reading the words of a man before damning him - a prozedure which seems to revive certain work ethics of Sen Joseph McCarthy. As far as known Joseph McCarthy hasn't been an oil filter specialist.

Posted on: 2011/8/31 5:08
The story of ZIS-110, ZIS-115, ZIL-111 & Chaika GAZ-13 on www.guscha.de
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Re: Mythbuster #777 Fram Oil Filters
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"Define what you mean by "the filter failed". I do not see any signs of filter failure"

As i stated above, click on the picture to blow it up, look in the center hole. The center "tube" is collapsed and damaged. The outside of the can is not collapsed or hurt in any way.

Posted on: 2011/8/31 7:34
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Re: Mythbuster #777 Fram Oil Filters
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All I see are the quotes on the filters and a photo, cannot see anythng else posted. All I can judge by is what I see and read.

Posted on: 2011/8/31 9:11
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Re: Mythbuster #777 Fram Oil Filters
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Cortcomp or anyone:
Is there any evidence of a manufacturer recall of the oil filters???

If so then where did those oil filters wind up???? Maybe on eBay or Craigslist or maybe on corner convenience store shelves and still setting there to this day waiting for a buyer to walk in?????

I don't know.

Posted on: 2011/8/31 11:53
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Re: Mythbuster #777 Fram Oil Filters
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TO PACKARD V8

"THESE FILTERS"?? DO YOU MEAN THESE "DEFECTIVE" FILTERS?? IT HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED BY ANY RECOGNIZED, CREDIBLE SOURCE THAT THESE FILTERS ARE DEFECTIVE. THERE IS LOTS OF BLAH BLAH BLAH ON THE INTERNET HOWEVER. ALSO LOTS ABOUT OBAMA NOT BEING BORN IN THE US.

IF YOU MEAN JUST FILTERS, YES, THEY DO WIND UP AT CONVENIENCE STORES, CAR DEALERSHIPS, AUTO PARTS STORES , EBVAY ETC. THE ARE SOLD AND USED WITHOUT INCIDENT IN MANY PLACES.
LET US NOT FAN THE FLAMES OF FALSEHOOD PLEASE.

(oops , sorry for the caps!)

I just realized that this style, the spin-on filter, is not used on Packards up to 1956. So what's the big deal?? But now that it's out in the open I'd like to find the truth.

Posted on: 2011/8/31 12:19
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Re: Mythbuster #777 Fram Oil Filters
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Thought about the photo that Cortcomp posted with a piece of something lodged in the outlet. As I recall from dissecting several filters recently the center metal outlet tube is perforated with about 1/16" holes and ends at the outlet fitting. I will dissect another to see how something could get lodged in the outlet.

Posted on: 2011/9/1 9:31
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