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Still have fuel problems
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WILLIS BIRKS
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I have been fighting fuel supply problems for a couple of months on my 54 Clipper. I have the tank redone and installed it with new fuel lines. I had problems with the engine stalling or running out of gas while idling. I changed fuel filters and still the same problem. I have the tank redone and installed it. I had the fuel pump rebuilt a Gould and installed. Still I don't get enough flow(the filter has fuel going into it , very little. I cleaned the screen in the carb, but it had no residue in it. I filled the tank so the level would be higher than the pick up tube and still not enough fuel. I even put the fuel line to the drain line on the tank and not enough fuel through the filter.
I took the fuel line off after the fuel pump and put the hose into a jug and cranked the engine, the pump put several ounces of fuel into the jug in 5 to 10 seconds.

So I thought what is happening between the fuel pump and the filter and carb. If it is not the filter what in the carb would restrict the flow?

Posted on: 2013/3/12 11:58
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Re: Still have fuel problems
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Misadjusted float?

I believe there is a test in the service manual for measuring the expected fuel output of the pump.

Also try taking the element out of the filter and see if the problem goes away. Those ceramic elements may look clean, but the pores can actually be clogged and prevent fuel flow.

Posted on: 2013/3/12 12:18
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Re: Still have fuel problems
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I've had years of complete satisfaction with Gould pump rebuilds and your pump delivery rate sounds reasonable, I forget the typical specs but I'd expect about 1/2 pint or so in 30 seconds. Looking elsewhere other that what's been suggested, many carburetors, especially Carters of this era, have a small brass filter screen at the fuel inlet - have you checked for that? On most models it's located onthe top of the float chamber just above the fuel inlet fitting and is accessed via a threaded brass hex-head retainer cap. After that I'd probably be going inside the carburetor.

Posted on: 2013/3/12 13:21
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Re: Still have fuel problems
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I don't know much about Carter carbs, but can the bowl vent get clogged? I had a similar problem with a Stromberg, and it turned out the bowl vent had gasket glue in it.

Just a thought.

Tom

Posted on: 2013/3/15 12:22
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Re: Still have fuel problems
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can the bowl vent get clogged?

Certainly a possibility, though somewhat remote. If I recall the carb internals correctly a clogged vent would cause the fuel bowl to vent thru the main jets while the bowl filled which would be very ineffective. Simple enough to check and worth the time if for no other reason than to eliminate it as the culprit.

Posted on: 2013/3/15 12:43
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Re: Still have fuel problems
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Could this "new" gas be doing something to the rubber or seals, and blocking the flow?

Posted on: 2013/3/15 13:04
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Re: Still have fuel problems
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one thing you mite try is take the line going into the fuel pump and run a hose into a jerry can and see what happens, i have heard of when the seal the gas tanks , the the pickup tube gets also covered in sealent causing problems. Also try blowing the line out too and see if its got any crap in it too.

Posted on: 2013/3/15 13:35
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Re: Still have fuel problems
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This from post #1: I took the fuel line off after the fuel pump and put the hose into a jug and cranked the engine, the pump put several ounces of fuel into the jug in 5 to 10 seconds.
I don't recall the typical pumping rate spec but that seemed quite adequate.

So based on that I'd rather doubt any problems from the pump back to the tank. Based on what the owner has reported it seems the problem is at the carburetor.

Posted on: 2013/3/15 13:40
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Re: Still have fuel problems
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WILLIS BIRKS
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I think after battling this for a couple of months that the problem is as you say, in the carb. I didn't want it to be that result, as I didn't want to get into the carb. I have cleaned the screen going into the unit, but the next step is the floats. Then if needed a rebuild.
Thanks to everyone who commented, it is great to have so many people with great experience offering suggestions. I will send the final results as soon as I get into the carb.

Posted on: 2013/3/15 14:03
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Re: Still have fuel problems
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Did the supply issue happen before or after the tank re-do? If after, and the tank was lined it is possible that the line out may be partially plugged with the material that the guy used to line the tank. Just my

Posted on: 2013/3/15 20:26
If it won't move, get a bigger wrench.
If it breaks, it needed fixing anyway.

Mark

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