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Posted on: 3/5 13:24:13
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Art-Deco-Beat ... se-With-Key-/383439958968

Did Packard have anything to do with this


Ahhhhhh. Like Packard bicycles, just another "Packard" branded item that had absolutely nothing to do with Packard Motor Car Company.

"Pla-Mor" juke boxes were made in Indiana by a company that called itself "Packard Manufacturing." They also made very modernistic sound and speaker systems. One of these looked like a flying saucer and hung from ceilings.

Posted on: 3/5 13:53:22
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I am curious how so many companies could call themselves "Packard" just like they were associated with Packard Motor or Packard Electric companies back in the day. Were there no brand or trademark laws or did Packard somehow give up the rights. With the real Packard still in business it was not like today where so many of the old defunct brand names have been bought up and legally used to sell mostly shoddy Chinese merchandise so how did they get away with it. McDonalds or Apple or whatever other established company you can name today have lawyers coming out of the woodwork if someone even thinks of using anything resembling their name or trademark.

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Trademarks have to be registered to very specific types/classes of goods and/or services.

Bicycles and jukeboxes (and pianos) ain't the same (market) as motor vehicles and wiring harnesses (and related components and tools).

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I am curious how so many companies could call themselves "Packard" just like they were associated with Packard Motor or Packard Electric companies back in the day. Were there no brand or trademark laws or did Packard somehow give up the rights. With the real Packard still in business it was not like today where so many of the old defunct brand names have been bought up and legally used to sell mostly shoddy Chinese merchandise so how did they get away with it. McDonalds or Apple or whatever other established company you can name today have lawyers coming out of the woodwork if someone even thinks of using anything resembling their name or trademark.


As I have mentioned before, the Packard Club Cormorant magazine featured an article a few years back that covered the various and numerous items made and sold under a "Packard" name. Can't recall the exact issue but it is in the Index of Packard Cormorant back issues and likely can still be ordered. It was also pointed out that these items had no connection to PMCC, but most were obviously cheesing off of the prestige of the Packard automobile

As for specificity of trademarks, this was not the reason that PMCC didn't go after people using the name. Times back then were just not as litigious as today. And knock-offs in most cases were also not as prevalent. To wit... one does not need to be strictly in the bicycle biz to have fleets of lawyers repping Schwinn to descend on anything using that name. Cease & Desist letters are well known in this case.

Posted on: 3/6 8:00:42
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Trademarks have to be registered to very specific types/classes of goods and/or services.

Bicycles and jukeboxes (and pianos) ain't the same (market) as motor vehicles and wiring harnesses (and related components and tools).


Brian (BH), thanks. And don't forget, please, that Packard could be your family name and thus you could name your company after you. Below some few pics of Packard brands.

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...but most were obviously cheesing off of the prestige of the Packard automobile...

Too narrowly understood and considered. Also before the first Packard car was build, Packard was the name of companies.



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Trademarks have to be registered to very specific types/classes of goods and/or services.

Bicycles and jukeboxes (and pianos) ain't the same (market) as motor vehicles and wiring harnesses (and related components and tools).


Brian (BH), thanks. And don't forget, please, that Packard could be your family name and thus you could name your company after you. Below some few pics of Packard brands.

Quote:
...but most were obviously cheesing off of the prestige of the Packard automobile...

Too narrowly understood and considered. Also before the first Packard car was build, Packard was the name of companies.



images sources
#1, #2, #4 - hippostcard.com
#3 - eBay; item no. 302497941220




Already very well known and already understood–at least by me. See The Packard Cormorant magazine article as I have mentioned several times. If the topic is important enough to debate, the back issue is certainly available.

I have even pointed out in the past places like the Packard Hotel in Havana, Cuba and Packard Motel in Florida and elsewhere.

Already talked about the Packard Piano and Organ Company in Indiana (see Packard Bike postings).

Even talked about Packard cologne (you think GTO cologne in the 1960s was not taking a free ride ride on the rep of the car?) and add-on Packard suspension systems.

Again... MOST (obviously not ALL, but MOST) were riding off of Packard automobile prestige. Some even copied PMCC's logo or used similar logos or similar sales slogans. Like the bicycle company that sneakily talked about a "famous Packard ride"... or the bicycle kickstand maker that used the slogan, "Ask The Boy Who Has One"... there should be no mystery or mitigation/minimizing of what was going on here. If it isn't obvious... even Stevie Wonder could see this.

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