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Re: Gear Vendors vs Mitchel Gear Splitter O.D. Units, for '34 std 8 coupe
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Keith,

The major differences lie in the engines and bellhousings, "junior" Phil's '38 v "senior" cars Tom's '34. Phil's trans/OD unit bolts to the bellhousing but still needs other 'minor' mods to get it to work.

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Re: Gear Vendors vs Mitchel Gear Splitter O.D. Units, for '34 std 8 coupe
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I'm confused. What does the bellhousing (ANY bellhousing )have to do with the overdrive unit??? The OD unit bolts to the back of the trans, NOT the front of the trans. No???

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Re: Gear Vendors vs Mitchel Gear Splitter O.D. Units, for '34 std 8 coupe
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PackardV8 wrote:
I'm confused. What does the bellhousing (ANY bellhousing )have to do with the overdrive unit??? The OD unit bolts to the back of the trans, NOT the front of the trans. No???


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Hi again Packard V8!

Good question. Of course you are correct that the Borg-Warner type overdrives bolt to the rear of the later transmission - that is, if you ordered overdrive as an "option" on 1939 (or was it 1940) and later production.

Well..it isn't quite that simple - to install a Borg-Warner type overdrive, you have to start out with a transmission whose rear case is designed to accept it.

So those of you with "Junior" pre-war Packards that were not factory-equipped with overdrive, have to hunt down and come up with an entire transmission already so equipped. Again, you cant simply bolt on the Borg-Warner type overdrive to a non-overdrive transmission.

So that rules out adding a Borg Warner type overdrive to Packard transmissions of ANY series, "Junior" or "Senior"

So, given the above - it really dosnt matter that there is still another reason why a "Borg-Warner" type transmission isn't going into a pre-war "Senior". (this is in addition to what I noted earlier - the pre-war Senior engines, with their transmissions removed, had no bell-housing on which to bolt a modern-style transmission. Again, the bell housing was cast as part of those huge "Senior" transmissions).

There is the little matter of the truly massive frames of the pre-war large Packards - a huge cross-member DIRECTLY behind the transmission ! No room!

Bottom line - for those of us with big pre-war Packards who want to lessen the wear-and-tear of very low axle ratios. Either "re-gear" them with a much "higher" rear axle ratio (which is only practical on the biggest-engine "Senior" Packards of that era with their incredible torque) or go to a overdrive that can be attached to the frame-rails in between that huge cross-member and the "banjo" of the rear axle.

Posted on: 2016/11/9 8:59
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Re: Gear Vendors vs Mitchel Gear Splitter O.D. Units, for '34 std 8 coupe
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or go to a overdrive that can be attached to the frame-rails in between that huge cross-member and the "banjo" of the rear axle.


FWIW, I've got an older hot rod B&J overdrive unit designed to go behind a GM TH400 or TH350 which could be adapted to a stand-alone unit. Any informed opinions as to how long an overdrive could be fit between the crossmember and the rear axle?

jack vines

Posted on: 2016/11/28 16:07
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