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Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
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Wednesday 28th May 2008
Started at the workshop cleaning up some of the parts removed yesterday while Wade was again cleaning the Super 8, this time all the window glass using a product called, I think, Rainex which repels water and is also apparently an excellent glass cleaner. When Wade finished that, after about an hour, we started on removal of the Steering Crank & Ball Stud which had defeated our attempts to remove it early last December. However although we removed the nut and washer from the top, which had previously been inaccessible, we weren't able to drive the bolt down and out. This after, first removing the harmonic balancer, then lowering the engine so that the snout of the crank was below the top of the drift being used by about 1" to avoid damaging the crank, then using bigger and bigger hammers as well as liberal doses of penetrant but all to no avail. Seems like our last option is the application of heat, and to this end Wade went out and got some full oxygen and acetylene bottles to use tomorrow when we planned to tackle it again. While Wade was out I was kept busy cleaning the parts removed yesterday and today as the pic's will show. And a little surprise awaited me when I returned home as Kath tells me we're now visting her sister tomorrow and not Friday. So I wont be going to the workshop until Saturday as we're also visiting our daughter and grand-daughters on Friday. At least I'll be able to drop off the reversing light switch to Harvey for his '37 Super 8 that Wade pulled off his parts '34 chassis and cleaned up and tested.
Posted on: 2008/5/28 3:10
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Mal
/o[]o\ ==== Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this? Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
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Mal,
The oil filter bracket on '54 was cracked in the same place and the other ear showed evidence of a prior crack the was brazed shut. I just welded the crack closed with my Oxy-Acet torch. I think that over tightening the bracket clamp bolt and the vibration causes this problem.
Posted on: 2008/5/28 16:55
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-BigKev
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Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
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One other thing Mal in the removal of the steering crank bolt. Rather than use heat, I have had success in the past by removing the grease nipple, drilling and tapping a half inch thread around an inch into the bolt. I was then able to extract the seized crank bolt, using a bolt shouldering onto and through a suitable socket. Once about 50 ft lbs torque extraction pressure is applied a gentle tap on the top of the bolt with a soft drift usually gets the crank bolt moving. Peter
Posted on: 2008/5/28 18:56
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Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
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Thursday 29th May 2008
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Although no work on the '41, was able to drop off the Super 8 reversing light switch with Carol, Harvey's wife, this morning. And not just that, but also a '40 Willys hood ornament I'd found through the internet and this will my contribution to Harvey's Willys project as I'm indebted to him for the woodgraining. I'd ordered the hood ornament Friday 23rd May, Sydney time, from Willyz Replacement Parts of Alta Loma California, and a courier turned up with it about 8:15am today. All up 6 days, from ordering to receipt across the Pacific, not bad service at all!
Posted on: 2008/5/28 21:56
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Mal
/o[]o\ ==== Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this? Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
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Saturday 31st May 2008
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Peter, We followed your suggestion today, and lo and behold - it works! Thank you, once more you've come to my rescue, although it was not quite as simple as suggested. First, removal of the grease nipple was easy, but finding the right sized drill for the tap being used was another matter. You'd think that in a workshop with three blokes with separate sets of drill bits there'd be one of the right size. But no, so started with a smaller bit but couldn't tap the hole because it was too small. So I made a quick trip to the local hardware store and at a cost of AU$10.30 later, about US$9.90, we were in possession of the right sized bit - 11/32". Drilling, then tapping the hole was then so much easier. Next step was tightening the bolt into the newly threaded hole using a small piece of pipe and one very large steel washer and a number of smaller to give the clearance and length required. Then the gentle tap, or in this case not so gentle taps, as Wade pounded on a drift on the bolt from above I kept tightening the bolt from below as it very gradually loosened until we ran out of thread travel. So using a socket as another spacer, to compensate for the length the loosened crank bolt had travelled in its journey to freedom, we resumed our attack with Wade pounding and me tightening. This continued until the drift had driven the crank bolt flush with the cross member. At that point Wade using a smaller drift, thinner than the crank bolt, was able to drive out the crank bolt. And, Peter, at this point it was with the gentler taps you recommended. I've also bought a NOS Packard Steering Crank & Bushing Kit from eBay this morning so that'll be heading down under soon. Another thing, Harvey rang me on Thursday evening regarding the parts I'd taken over to him, and suggested that greasing the fitting might assist the process but as you'll see in the pic's it wouldn't have helped. The rest of my time was spent cleaning up the crank arm and some other parts. This is in preparation for Wade and Gina's trip next week to the Border Run at Berri, South Australia. I will see Wade tomorrow on our club run to Bents Basin, and I'll report on that in the General Forum. But I wont see Wade after that as some other commitments of mine prevent me from seeing Wade early next week until his return from the Border Run in 2 weeks time. Needless to say I've got work to do while Wades away with cleaning the engine, accessories and firewall and painting these while they are relatively clear of accoutrements.
Posted on: 2008/5/31 0:12
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Mal
/o[]o\ ==== Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this? Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
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Sunday 1st June 2008
After getting home from the Packard run to Bents Basin, see the post in the General Forum, tonight I ordered some parts from Max following a recent survey of requirements by Wade. Parts being: Timing Case Cover Gasket(Fix oil leak) Timing Cover Seal & Retainer(Fix oil leak) Manifold Gasket Set(Repair broken stud) Ignition Cable Set(Replace present radio supression cables) Only trouble with ordering things from the US, besides the actual cost, is the shipping charge which can be significant! Although I hope, for these parts, it will be reasonable as the parcel shouldn't be large or heavy which are big factors in the shipping cost calculation. We'll see.
Posted on: 2008/6/1 5:41
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Mal
/o[]o\ ==== Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this? Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
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Monday 2nd June 2008
After yesterday's pleasant Packard outing it was back to reality down at the workshop. Only there for a few hours and in that times scraped the top of the front crossmember. This in preparation for cleaning and painting it in the near future as well as the firewall. And cleaned up the front of the block somewhat as the engine and accessories will also be painted shortly. The thing I did find is that the bolt hole for the steering crank pin is now elongated, especially at the top, as the pic's show.
Posted on: 2008/6/2 1:56
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Mal
/o[]o\ ==== Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this? Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
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G'day Mal, The elongation of the bolt hole is of no signifigance as the bush in the steering crank sits between the upper and lower bolt holes and the tightening of the bolt closes the holes to seat the bush firmly between them, but the arm is still able to rotate on the bushing. The bolt does not rotate. I would not be concerned in the least by elongation of the bolt hole. It may mean that the bolt was actually seized in service and HAS been rotating in the past. I would use a Molybond grease in the bushing as it is very efficient in preventing seizure. I have a new Belville spring for the pre-tension if you need one. Best regards, Peter Toet
Posted on: 2008/6/2 3:34
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Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
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Tuesday 3rd June 2008
Dropped into to the workshop, to catch up with Wade before he leaves early tomorrow for the Berri Border Run. Wade is the Treasurer of the Packard Club here and he'll be away when the next committee meeting is held so I'll present the financial statements on his behalf. Also found that Noel, who has a '41 160 Coupe, was there with his panelbeater/restorer mate Tony. So had a bit of a talk with them before they left. Noel had been "complaining" I was avoiding him at the workshop because I usually wasn't there when he came round so this time we actually made contact! Noel was saying his '41 chassis has just gone to be sand-blasted and was quoted AU$250-500 and I told him, that after my under car scraping, it is well worth WHATEVER the cost. Quote:
Peter, Thanks for the info, but 2 questions. After Noel left Wade and I were discussing the steering crank and bolt and were somewhat perplexed in it's operation. Does the bush rotate within the crank? You seem to be indicating it does, and if so it answers our question. The other question being, for my mechanical education, what is a "Belville spring"? EDIT Peter, Belay that first question, after I posted the above saw an email from Wade saying "Just had a look on your site at the picture of the kit set that is coming. Indeed, the bushing that is still in your arm is supposed to turn in there. If you look at the picture you will see a grease groove around the outside of the new bushing. So that explains how the bolt can be bolted down tight and the arm will still turn. Just thought I would let you know and we will remove the old bush when I get back." However the second question stands as I display my ignorance to the world.
Posted on: 2008/6/3 3:45
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Mal
/o[]o\ ==== Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this? Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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