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Tubster

Re: 1953 Caribbean Prototype

#31

Quite a regular

Kelvin,

Over the last 19 months that I have been researching this car, I have strived to locate and talk with "experts".The list includes roster keepers, historians and even a body tag expert from within the ranks of PAC. I have talked with numerous Caribbean owners, and other one off car collectors just to get ideas of what to look for on my car. I only turned to this website when I had exhausted those leads. I kept and continue to keep some aspects of this car under wraps. This is my right! At some point this will be put out for public scrutiny. Not yet.

According to the Body tag expert stamping over the body tag number DID occur and it was only after I sent him a picture Of the A pillar tag that I knew it had been stamped over. He enlarged the picture I sent and noticed the original number. He stated that the stamps that were used were of the same number style of that used at the time by PMC. I KNOW THIS PROVES NOTHING, but the door is open for the possibility.

Could you find it in your heart to apologize to Ozstatman. You accused him of declaring that my car is indeed the Prototype. He did no such thing. He simply thanked me for registering the Caribbean on the roster.

Posted on: 2017/3/8 12:47

Tubster

Re: 1953 Caribbean Prototype

#32

Quite a regular

I am sorry that you were raked over the coals. Thank you for your contributions to the website and hobby.

Matt H

PDX, OR

Posted on: 2017/3/8 12:51

Leeedy

Re: 1953 Caribbean Prototype

#33

Home away from home

With all due respect, Ozstatsman has neither endorsed nor declared the Caribbean in question to be a prototype. He has merely added this car to a list-whatever it turns out to be in the end.

As for photos, I have personally seen numerous photos of the vehicle in question and I don't think there is anyone breathing who ought to know the prototype better. And while I am also not making any "declarations" this car does have tantalizing aspects. And these are things that someone competent with these cars would know better than folks arguing on the internet about who did what and when and where and how in an academic or sterile environment.

There are photos that exist of the the original prototype being built. I personally have a full set of these very photos (yes, that no one has seen all but some are in the new Creative Industries book). I also knew people who worked on the prototype car. So there was one and all of the arguments aside, there are ways of vetting (no pun intended) this vehicle. Or not.

Whether the vehicle being discussed in this forum is the same vehicle and all of the other issues that went with it... has yet to be resolved. But there have been people of sufficient knowledge looking at this vehicle. So it is not necessarily a "fraud"... whatever it turns pout to be.

Posted on: 2017/3/8 12:55

Tubster

Re: 1953 Caribbean Prototype

#34

Quite a regular

Thanks Leeedy, I hesitate to put names out on this forum, but thank you for stepping up.

Matt H
PDX, OR

Posted on: 2017/3/8 13:10

Guscha

Re: 1953 Caribbean Prototype

#35

Home away from home

Quote:

... How is this websites roster reliable now? ...

Mal (Ozstatman) was the reason for coining the term reliability.

Posted on: 2017/3/8 19:10

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49 matt

Re: 1953 Caribbean Prototype

#36

Not too shy to talk

Here is a picture of some brazing work done on my car. The holes in the fenders and doors have been filled in as the Caribbean did not carry the Central spear like the 52 conv.

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Posted on: 2017/3/9 11:48

Tubster

Re: 1953 Caribbean Prototype

#37

Quite a regular

On the picture of the brazed in trim hole, please note that there is another brazed in hole on the lip of the fender. When I first was guided to look for the trim hole patches I did not know what to expect, I was exited to find the patches, but not overly excited. I told myself that the fender could have been replacement fender from a sedan. I then removed the paint from the lip of the fender and found the holes for the mounting of the Caribbean "eyebrow" and they had been brazed at some point. If you look at the lip of the fender you can see an example of the brazing.

Posted on: 2017/3/9 11:59

49 matt

Re: 1953 Caribbean Prototype

#38

Not too shy to talk

Here is a broader picture of the fender and its customization.

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Posted on: 2017/3/9 12:08

Tubster

Re: 1953 Caribbean Prototype

#39

Quite a regular

With any luck there should be two photos attached. Please look at them carefully. Notice any difference? A friend pointed it out to me.

The tail light mounting angles are different. One is much more pronounced than the other.

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