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Re: A Tale of Two Patricians
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After having the ignition switch rebuilt a while back and the lock keyed to the stamped key code, once installed I noticed that I can remove the key only in the accessory position which, of course, is not right. Where there different switches during the year or is there something that could have been done incorrectly when installing the lock tumbler? The lock came from the car’s original switch while the switch itself is a rebuilt replacement.

Posted on: 2022/3/18 20:44
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That is very strange. My guess is that the housing they used to rebuild it was manufactured to lock in a different position than the original. The cylinders themselves are all the same (wafers parallel to key). So you're saying there's 4 positions 45deg apart like usual, but the key removes in the most CCW position instead of the one next to it.

Does the switch work correctly electrically?

Posted on: 2022/3/19 7:43
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Yes, that correct and the switch otherwise works properly. I bought the switch rebuilt but without the tumbler so that I could use my own and not have to re-key but I still have the original so I guess the best thing is to take the replacement back out and compare! I had originally sent in a core from my parts car but the rebuild was defective so the one now is a replacement sent by the dealer from their stock.

Posted on: 2022/3/19 11:03
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It occurred to me that perhaps when I installed the tumbler, the post on the bottom missed the hole it should have gone into inside the switch. That might explain why the key is not quite perpendicular when in the normal OFF position. If that’s the case, it must have engaged partially somehow as it’s still working as it should other than not being able to remove the key and the key not being perpendicular when off.

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It occurred to me that perhaps when I installed the tumbler, the post on the bottom missed the hole it should have gone into inside the switch.


I suppose that is possible but I personally find it unlikely. I would take the tumbler out of both your rebuilt and original switches: check that the grooves in the outer cylinder (the housing) are the same on both relative to the starter bezel indexing pegs. I suspect that your new one is 45deg off.

And while you're at it, you may as well check that the core was inserted into the switching plate in the back properly.

Posted on: 2022/3/19 20:20
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I'm back at my shop for a couple weeks and some parts waiting for me but one is a mystery. Done anyone know what the grommet on the right is for? It's listed as being used in conjunction with the other which is the antenna fender grommet but no way that's possible as it's larger than the largest part on the antenna other than the motor itself!

Posted on: 2022/5/11 18:45
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Do you have a manual antenna plastic piece and if you do is it the same size as the electric antenna piece?

Looking at the install drawings the electric antenna uses the 1865-19 shown on the right and the factory part number pa439253 checks. It is clearly shown inserted in the hole in the fender with the insulator piece on top.

The 0756-19 on the left has an odd factory part number 1462417 which does not show in the Packard numerical list. It might even be another mfgs number because the matching vehicles tab also shows some other cars use the same thing. The install info on the manual antenna shows what appears to be a surface grommet not inserted in the fender hole with only the insulator keeping it in place. If the manual insulator is bigger perhaps the odd grommet is close enough in size they just added it to the Packard list. Of course we all know Steele has never made an error. 😜

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Thank you, Howard! Are you saying that it goes inside the oval grommet? Not sure how as both have a groove into which the fender sheet metal slides and I can't see how both can occupy the same space. NOS antennas that I have have nothing like that on them so I guess I'll have to examine it again tomorrow and see if I can make sense of it. The oval type is what my antennas all have.

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I think it is one or the other depending on antenna and Steele's description of "used with" is misleading and might have made better sense if they said "compare with". Electric antenna instructions say drill a 1 1/4" hole in the fender so that would fit the overall dimensions of the grooved 1865-19. I imagine the grommet would mold to the somewhat elongated shape of the insulator.

Metro only shows one grommet for a 54 Patrician.

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It's possible that the round one is universal while the other is specific. The oval one also has the proper slope per my NOS ones while the other does not and the originals were indeed oval too.

Posted on: 2022/5/11 20:39
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