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No, it isn't. The problem is in the balancers. The early balancer has the pulley towards the rear, and the newer balancer has the pulley towards the front. I'm not sure what all you'll have to change to put the later balancer on, you may just get by with a new water pump pulley. There's something else too that's a problem that I can't think of right now.

This engine has a pulley attached to the front of the balancer, assuming that's what i need? This motor came out of a 53 if i recall correctly, and had that power steering hooked up. So I'm guessing from what you're saying this should be the way to go? I have to switch the water pump itself and the timing cover to mount the engine in my 50 (advice you gave me before) but i think the pulleys and balancers would interchange.

There's a difference between the '50 and back style balancer and the '51 and up one that makes it necessary to use the early balancer with the front motor mounts. IIRC, I think it's the size of the balancer, diameter wise. Like the balancer will hit and rub on the engine mount. Something wasn't kosher when I was putting the '53 327 in the Speedster while using the front mount and I think that was it. I may be wrong, and it'll bolt right up, but proceed with caution and check all the clearances to make sure it's ok. Personally, I'd rather have the narrower belt on my '48 and if it's all possible, when the '48 gets a 356 it'll have dual narrow belts.

Oh, and it was me who stated the Ford 300 six balancer will work, as well as a 302 Ford V8, IF you get an internally balanced racing balancer. The 300 six will work as-is.

G'day all, especially Eric. I found that using a 1938 harmonic balancer on a 1954 327 ( to clear the front cross member) required the boring out of the approx 0.375 washer so that the 54 bolt pulls the balancer up hard onto the crank. The standard 1954 washer simply bottoms on the crank before it tensions the balancer. Unfortunately the 288/327 motor requires a bit of adjustment of the firewall ( iaw with the Packard Tech Instruction, of course) so there is not a lot of room left for changing fan belts etc. I have finished panel beating the RHF guard after a Kangaroo strike in November so it is back on the road again. best Regards Peter Toet.

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Now THERE'S an issue i haven't had to worry about...kangaroo strikes! Goes to show you just can't think of everything before it happens!


Eric,
I'm ashamed to say i had to nibble a little off the side of the engine mount to get my alternator to mount right where i wanted it, so i'm sure there will be clearance issues dealing with that front mount on this project because it is always in the way up front.

The engine and the car are out in the shop at the moment and i haven't looked, but i wondered about converting to side engine mounts as it seems it would be much more convenient. Haven't peeked under the hood, but i'm sure SOMETHING will be in the way of doing that.

Since i'll have both motors out at once, as long as it's not a cross member issue, i should be able to take my time and get each part to fit, modifying if necessary.

If I'm reading what Peter said correctly, i may have to just bore that balancer out a little, and that doesn't seem too terrible. My 288 runs fantastic, but with the ultramatic, i could use a little more oomph (Especially if i get AC working and it runs all the time) and i'd love to detail the motor out with correct decals, right color paint, organize wires and hoses, por15 the manifolds different colors, and chrome nuts on the head (plus i think moving from my 2 barrel to a 4 barrel will be a big plus)

All in all, if everything goes terribly foul (or if i suffer a kangaroo strike) i can go back to stock and drive the car.

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Not going to happen, your steering box is in the way on the driver's side.

Peter's talking about using a '38 balancer, which is from a 282, different engine. I DO know that a 288 balancer from a '48 WILL fit a later 288/327/359 engine. That's what I'm saying, I think you have to use all the stuff from the front of the '50 on your engine, that the later '51 and up balancer won't work with the front mount.

Here's the '51 and up balancer:



And here's the '50 and back balancer (from a 356, a 288/327 is similar):



A 356 balancer is a little wider than the 288/327 one, but you get the gist of what I'm trying to say. (I hope)

Eric,

I think that is a senior balancer in your first picture. I believe this is what is also on the motor that he got from Dan Yocum since it was from a '53 Patty.

On my '54 327 Junior motor, the balancer portion is the same diameter as the pulley face. The senior one you show has the balancer portion much larger than the pulley face.

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You're absolutely right Kev!! I went out and checked my old '53 288 and it's like yours. So it looks like if you're going to use the later engine in the earlier car you'll need the smaller balancer.

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G'day all, Eric is corect about the wide belt balancers. Please note that you don't have to bore the balancer out, only the thick washer which butts up against the crank. Eric has got me thinking about whether i used a 38 or post-war wide fan belt balancer on my 54 engine. I'm not sure now butI am not aware that they are different. You will soon find out when you try to tension the bolt up and the balancer is still loose. best regards Peter Toet

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