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I can not emphasize enough Ross' words about "brakes just worked on by your worst enemy".
I, for one, just planned to check the brake fluid level, and ended up replacing all 4 wheel cylinders, brake lines, brake shoes and lining sets rear and a rebuild of the BTV. I found 2 leaking wheel cylinders, 2 single flares and rust on the lines and in the wheel cylinders, and the BTV vacuum cylinder filled with rust/brake fluid. In addition the reservoir cover gasket was covering the hole allowing any leaking fluid to return to the reservoir. Tom
Posted on: 2012/4/26 5:07
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In addition the reservoir cover gasket was covering the hole allowing any leaking fluid to return to the reservoir.
This is something that was discovered and discussed a great deal last year. The replacement gaskets in rebuild kits appear to be for a different cover type than Packard used. Just wondering if anyone has bought a kit since this was brought to light and if our vendors have made changes or at least are mentioning the issue with supplemental instructions.
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The only part of my braking system that didn't need to be replaced was the backing plates and the drums. Everything else was replaced...even the brake light switch leaked!
Posted on: 2012/4/26 11:01
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Kev, if you recall my experience with the Patrician, I had to replace everything including the two rear drums, since they were missing! At least the braking system is something I can understand and fix myself, albeit not as quickly as someone trained in this sort of work.
At least with the Four Hundred, the basic parts are all there. While some may need adjusting, re-building or replacing, they are there. This is soooo much better than the experience I had with the Patrician. The Patrician was and continues to be, however, a very worthwhile learning experience.
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I used the BTV rebuild kit from Kanter's and the gasket was changed regarding the hole in question. As instruction I used Ross's "How to: Rebuild the Bendix-Treadlevac Master Brake Cylinder" manual. packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/article/view.article.php?c8/404 Tom
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Hi PA Patrician
Having to jump in late on your blog and with the problem being brake related at present, I just want to say, hang in there! The old folks did manage to brake these beast successfully! I struggled a lot with my car, but now that the brakes are fixed to 1950 standards i can live with it in 2012! I believe that these Packards were "over engineered" for their time and should at least provide a decent brake performance. Mine does now after having learned a lot! You will enjoy the car so much more if you know that you can stop it in time! Regards Barrie
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Good to know Kanter's kits are OK. Fred was heavily involved in the discussion so glad he made the changes. Hope our other vendors did the same -- or at least mention reversing or cutting the gasket. Troubling would be someone who bought from an outside vendor. So many sell the rebuild kits & probably most are made by the same supplier. Believe those gaskets are designed around tops which have the tube or stamped passage in the lid -- not the flat lid Packard used.
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This weekend was a productive weekend on the Four Hundred! With the help of my loving wife, I bled the brake system and bled quite a bit of air out of the rear brake lines. There was very little air in the front lines. Once the lines were bled and additional fluid added, I once again have reliable brakes on the Four Hundred!!
Next, I finally replaced the heater core and re-routed the heater hoses. When I took off the old heater core I was surprised (not really) to find that it was held on by only a sheet metal screw and a bolt and there was no gasket between the core assembly and the firewall. That was remedied with a gasket and new bolts. It took some time installing the re-built core as lining up the bolt holes looks like it should have been a two-person job so with one person working on it, it took a while. I managed to finally get one bolt aligned by the time I lost light on Saturday evening. Sunday after breakfast with the wife I tackled it again and managed to get the bolts and screws lined up in their proper places. New heater hoses and clamps were then in order and after a few hours the job was done. With the new heater core in place, some new anti-freeze was added to the cooling system and a quick run around the block to see if there were any leaks in the system proved uneventful. The next project with the Four Hundred will be having the re-built carburator installed once it is returned from the rebuilder. At the same time, the vacuum lines will all be replaced and hopefully the windshield wipers will work a little more sprightly. I've already oiled the wiper motor as recommended by the service bulletin and replaced some of the vacuum lines, but not all of them. Since I brought the Four Hundred home, I've managed to put thirty (30) miles on it without any major issues other than the brakes the other week. That appears to have been resolved and I'm looking forward to getting the re-built carburator on it so that it runs a bit more smoothly. I'm also looking forward to driving it to the gasoline station for its first fill up. Up to now, I've been using gas cans to fuel it. It will be nice to simply drive it up to a pump and fill it like a normal car! I'm really looking forward to that.
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I've been following your postings with great interest and I've got a real education from them.
I know what you mean about looking forward to the first "fill-up". I took my '51 to the station today and it always draws a crowd - especially now that I've finished detailing it, the paint is almost shiny enough to shave in. I'm hoping for that '55 fill-up for my Patrician this week or next. All the mechanics in the shop have driven that car but me. I originally took it to my mechanic thinking it would be done faster and since I don't have all the equipment necessary, easier than doing it myself. Plus I have always been leary about working on brakes. All my '55 really needed was that brake job and all the recommended servicing caught up on. The deal was, they would work on it as time permitted and I'd get a (much needed) break on the bill. This was agreed when his business was real s l o w. Naturally, business immediately pick up - for the next year and a half. I could have done the whole thing last summer but that's hindsight for you. Also, my mechanic was born BEFORE the car was made and most importantly, is a honest man and good friend. Looking forward to more of your posts on both your 400 and your Patrician. Hopefully I'll have some driving experiences to share soon too.
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