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Thursday 20th May 2010

Arrived at the workshop to find Wade under Noel's '39 "playing" with the wiring. He's done quite a bit of that lately. First thing was decanting the 2 x 5 litre containers of Penrite Running In Oil into the 20 litre drum equipped with a spigot for later transfer into the '41 next week. Also re-positioned the 20 litre drum of Penrite HPR30 20W-60 to be used after the running in period and for subsequent oil changes. I'd dropped the oil in yesterday after I picked it up from Wetherill Park. In moving the oil off the bench saw something I didn't notice yesterday, a Packard heater for Noel's '39. Wade's going to mount and plumb it for him which also necessitates moving the radio speaker.

Then onto the trans OD unit. First tightened all the mounting bolts. And now it's mounted on the engine it's readily accessible for cleaning and painting so that's what I did while Wade continued under the '39. Although I'd previously cleaned it, it was now apparent that some of the nooks and crannies had been missed while at ground level. That done, brushed Packard Green on to the trans and OD, also gave the head another coat and also the oil filler/breather tube and later the front engine mount. Then checked my brushwork on the trans and OD with the aid of the workshop light. Well, it was only half done! I know the light is generally not good in the workshop and my eyesight isn't as good as it used to be but this was ridiculous. So light in one hand, brush in the other, much of the unit received much more than just a touch up! At the end looks OK so that's the main thing.

Painting done, gave Wade a hand under the '39 where he was soldering "bullets" back on some of the wires. Between our four hands, Wades with solder in one and bullet on longnose pliers in the other, and mine with torch in one and soldering iron in the other, managed to do the 6 bullets required. Only thing needing to complete the wiring now is running wires for, and connecting the front blinkers. Noel, it may even be working when you come over tomorrow morning for Tas's visit! And Harvey phoned, hopes to make it tomorrow too, depending on some other commitments. Appin says he'll try and make it while the editor of our club magazine, Jeff, will definitely be there and Vice-President Big Bad Barry has also indicated he'll try and make it in his "Stackard". Treasurer Russpackaus gave some flimsy excuse for not attending of, and I quote, "I would love to catch up but I am in Singapore stretching the business muscles". Similar excuse from DavidM, you'd think that Packards would take priority over overseas trips wouldn't you? All that said, there probably won't be much work done tomorrow with the Packard socialising taking precedence.

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Friday 21st May 2010

Before detailing todays workshop activities let me show you some excerpts from yesterdays Chatroom. Now before anybody starts yelling about privacy issues, the Chatroom is a Forum, where anything said can be accessed by all 2,310 PackardInfo members, that is until it clears either through transaction volume or time. I have only reproduced a small part of the conversations that were present when I clicked in and as they have special significance for me I believe I'm more than entitled to air them here.

39super8: DO NOT SAY SNUBBER HERE!

flackmaster: SNUBBER SNUBBER SNUBBER Mal is probably off editing the 1,712 photos taken of Wade drinking tea today.

Snubbers are a subject dear to my heart. The Flackmaster continues to tantalise me with tales of reproduction snubbers nearing completion but as they say, "I won't believe it until I see it"! I continue to live in hope that this project will come to fruition and is not just a cruel joke designed to torture an individual living in a land down-under.

As to Wade drinking cups of tea today, not likely. He's a coffee man through and through, the darker and stronger the better. If the spoon stands straight up in the cup it's almost strong enough!

As to photo's I'm sorry, I fell way short of expectations, only took 21 today!

39super8:......Mouton drank 4ounces. ......should I start a blog and post pics of each feeding?

flackmaster: Why not register Mouton in the owners registry, just be sure to include all known history (or herstory) serial numbers and how and when acquired.

Here we have another subject dear to my heart, the Packard Owner's Registry. I'm glad that PackardInfo members are thinking of this great and valuable resource and ways in which to promote it. But to include Mouton, which if memory serves me right is a cat, stretches it's boundaries too far even for this avowed advocate!

All that said, I'm braced and ready, fire at will Mal!

So onto todays workshop activities. As part of the welcome for Tas, Phil and wife Marjorie, organised tea, coffee, bikkies(cookies) and some crackers, ham and cheese as morning tea on their arrival. But before I even reached the workshop Noel phoned me to ask if I had a copy of the PACA Constitution which he's looking to review for the club. So, after dropping off the refreshments, backtracked home, found the Constitution then returned to the workshop. Apologies for not being able to attend today were advised by Jeff and Harvey because of late arising commitments. Soon after Phil and Marjorie arrived together with their Sydney friends Phil and Jennifer. I think they did this deliberately because I'm not good at remembering names and faces, but I'm not sure if it was to help(with common names) or hinder(trying to remember which Phil was which)! Also arriving about this time were Big Bad Barry and his wife Pam in their '35 and Noel in his Roller. Later Chris in his '62 Packard Hawk, Kevin & Barbara and Gina also joined the happy throng!

As I said earlier, a somewhat lacklustre day with the camera, only 21 pic's! But hosting an event and being a Packardrazzi are two separate and incompatible roles. Running around serving bikkies and fingerfood just doesn't leave a hand free for camera operation. And isn't the host supposed to make introductions, mingle with the guests, attending to all and sundry as well as the hundred or so other little things that crop up to ensure the event is successful? Having never taken on such a task before that it went as well as it did was a testament to the people in attendance who made it what it was in spite of the hosts shortcomings, lack of social graces and inexperience. Thank you all, and thanks too to John, Rick and Graham(without whom we wouldn't have had our group photo).

Plenty of Packard patter, with Phil seeing what was going on in the shop, taking notes, names and numbers. In fact he had to be prised away from the place, being deep in discussion or taking details until the last minute. Only the fact that they still had to get to the Vintage Motor Garage, on the Central Coast about 1 & 1/2 hours north before dark, in order to see his '26 333 Limo, finally broke him free. And an interesting tid-bit concerned Kevin's V12 Jaguar. Kevin tells me it's been there now for 2 years and 5 months, although I knew it had been some time, I didn't realise it was that long! Today Kevin was advised by John that it should be finished by the end of June. Apparently John said to Kevin "One day I'll phone you and you'll be very surprised when I do." to which Kevin responded, "Yes, I would be surprised". All this said, I hope, with a twinkle in the eyes.

After everyone departed there was actually some work done on the '41 engine. In fact yesterday Wade had mounted the upper and lower generator brackets but they still needed tightening. The lower one isn't so critical but the upper arm needs to be installed before the front engine mount is. And that was the next task, but where were the 2 bolts? Couldn't find them, but Wade came up with a couple of newies complete with washers. But these were not long enough, so back into his box of tricks, and two slightly longer bolts did the trick. The engine should now be ready to re-unite with the car on Monday. All the re-wiring work is now complete on Noel's '39, yesterday Wade had finished it off and tested it all. Now for the radio relocation and heater installation. And after all that finally went to lunch with Wade, John and Rick at the Wings restaurant at Eastwood Rugby Club. Have lived in the area on and off for 60 years but had never set foot inside it until today. In fact, 45-50 years ago, used to peddle past the place going to and from high school on my pushbike! And I've no fear of recommending it, after a great lunch of a Filet mignon steak, chips(US = fries) and vegetables all for AU$19.00, at current rates = US$16.00, it was delicious. I'll be going back for more!

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Mal - I mistakenly believed what is said in the Chatroom stays in the Chatroom, so I will no longer throw (what will become perpetual) darts. The snubber project started out as a fun challenge - and has morphed into something else. We have identified the perfect replacement, slightly larger heavy duty unit (note where the original is often found bent), however I have NOT been able to find a machine shop to cut down the mounting post to the correct dimension, and also LH threading the stem has been a request resulting in blank stares. I'd look harder for a shop to do this, but the financials of marketing a replacement snubber may diminish the value of my retirement nest egg of the worlds largest inventory of NOS snubbers.

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Monday 24th May 2010

Late start after donating blood plasma in the morning. In my absence Wade had been rebuilding the distributor for Noel's '39, with among other things new bushes and replacement of a frayed wire. PeterL was there with Wade, he was returning the R9-1 OD Trans he re-assembled for us. Had to install a new rear seal($10) and replaced the sprag clutch housing(no charge from his stock of spares, thanks Peter). Only problem was he'd given it a coat of paint and it was still drying so Peter and Wade ended up with paint on their hands after manhandling it. After Peter's departure I cleaned the surfaces on the O/D for the governor and the solenoid, gasket cemented surfaces and then Wade energised and installed the solenoid. next was installing the bottom bellhousing cover, this wasn't done earlier because the engine was too far forward on the bench it's sitting on. Because the engine and trans were still connected to the engine crane all this necessitated was raising the unit and pushing it back on the bench to give the required clearance. And Noel dropped in to talk to Wade about the heater and radio in the '39.

Then came the shuffling, firstly moving the engine forward on the bench and repositioning the lifting point to re-balance the unit. Then moving Rick's Lexus Soarer and the Peugeot Motor Scooter which has been sitting in front of the '41 for some weeks. This gave us room to push the '41 forward enough so that the engine crane with engine/trans unit attached could be moved in front of Noel's '39. That done the '41 was pushed back into place. John was of great assistance during all this. Then the '41 was jacked up and stands placed under the frame to permit good undercar access for the next stage. The next stage consisted of the engine crane and it's precious load being positioned in front of the '41 ready for re-unification. Then with Rick helping, the engine/trans unit was pushed, lowered and manoeuvered avoiding hanging up on things like the throttle linkage, OD solenoid and anything else protruding from either car or engine. Needed to reposition the front jack stands further aft because the legs of the engine crane bumped into the bottom of the stands about 6" short of where the engine/trans needed to go. That done the engine/trans was almost in place and the jack was then used under the trans to lift slightly for final positioning. Then front engine mount to front crossmember bolts/nuts in place and we could relax. At least I did, Wade was under the '41 bolting the trans mounts to the side of the trans. Also cut some new rubber pads, lifted the front of the engine again and put them under each side of the front engine mount. The trans crossmember is not yet back in the '41 but will be tomorrow.

Quote:David,

I know the mantra of "What happens in ......., stays in......." but nothing, repeat nothing, is safe in the Chatroom! And you certainly do keep the darts coming don't you? Even with this "my retirement nest egg of the worlds largest inventory of NOS snubbers". So cruel, so very cruel.

But good news from a '37 owner, Bill B sent me this email yesterday, edited for reproduction here with Bill's blessing.
"Finally there! First short drive at 3.30 this afternoon GREAT!!

Carby was back from .......... when we got back from New Zealand, they did a good job this time and I would deal with them in the future.

Will probably spend next week polishing and detailing will not register until July as we are going away in the Fifth Wheel for the month of June so will not be able to come to Tamworth.

Thanks to you and Wade for your help (not real confident about the temp gauge as it does not register every time I run car!)

The bumper over riders are not a problem........if you go through the photo's of 37's on Packard Info the big majority have the same as mine ????"

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Hi Mal, sorry I hadn't seen your prior post about banter in the chat room sooner. Mal it's as simple as this... we all like you. I think we often become known for smoothing, for instance the running banter about me for a couple years was the allusive ashtray. Dave, Kev, and who knows whom else had fun with that till Dave found one and sent it. Kev continually gives me the business about buying a 56 Packard. We go back and forth in good fun. Kind of the way guys give each other the business at the car show, or pub.

Before Dave arrived in the live chat, we had fun speculating at his expense if a whole car might appear on someone's driveway that he might source and send for fun. I have received a number of mystery packages, Dave is known for that sort of activity, that's why we are taking fun poke's at him. The things written in live real-time chat were not meant to be mean to you, really in my mind just waiting for you to log in and continue the light hearted ribbing. In context, it makes more sense. Mal, as each of us are known for our own thing, you are known for lot's of pictures, commentary, and on the hunt for the allusive snubber. That is not a bad thing, just fun banter.

Sadly, what wasn't seen in the BS'ing was the part about "we should have an international P-Info meet where Gerd and Mal could join us". Truth be told, I hope to meet you eventually. As a rule, I don't kid about someone I don't care for. I think I have given the pre-Mal welcome at times, stating "a nice fellow will be along soon to make a request" sort of thing.

I never realized the registry was such a serious matter to you. I would not bust your chops over something that is that near and dear to you. The snuubber also seems to be a part you have your heart set on. I have one that needs re-vulcanizing, but is indeed serviceable. As a symbol of my fondness for you I will gladly send it along, Please PM your mailing address and I will expedite.

Bottom line, the lighthearted banter did not read as such after the fact. I am profusely sorry for the hurt feelings. You are correct about the chat room not really being chat, but recorded conversation. I will take that lesson to heart.

Please accept my sincere apology,
Jim

Jim! Jim! Jim!

All I said was in jest! It's just that I'm heavy handed on the keyboard and any nuaces, inflexions and such just don't come across well in the written word. Accordingly no apology is required or expected. I'm sure the written word, except in the hands of poets, good novelists and exceptional wordsmiths, is often misconstrued. I'm also sure that it has happened on PackardInfo with a recent departure probably being attributable, at least partly, to this.

I certainly enjoy the Owner Registry and champion it's cause trying to encourage all Packard owners here to include theirs.

The snubber.....to me at least it's just a dream and David has given me hope that it could be something more than that. It has become a sort of holy grail, just like your ashtray, but it's not something I lose sleep over.

I suppose if I'd used smilies of many descriptive emotions to illustrate my posts I wouldn't get into the sort of trouble I've now stirred up?


Another thing, I referred to Mouton as a cat, a correction is needed because Mouton is a lamb is it not? My apologies Mouton.

Tuesday 25th May 2010

Wade was adjusting the timing on Noel's '39 when I arrived. Because the harmonic balancer wasn't marked or have a pointer he looked on the flywheel for markings for TDC, but in vain. Settled for setting it using of his finely tuned ear which usually proves very accurate anyway. Then onto the '41, firstly with John welding the heads of the bolts holding the hand brake cable to the trans crossmember. This because of the impossible position these are in when trying to re-install the clamp to the crossmember, can't get a spanner on them to stop them from turning inside the crossmember. Then it was under the '41 trial fitting the crossmember, but didn't seem to line up. Out from under and repositioned the front engine mount, there being two sets of holes on the front cross member probably to accommodate 160/180 engines too? Back under, but still not aligned, this time too far forward. So back out, engine back to again and back under the car, and what do you know, this time they aligned. All that remained then was to bolt the cross member in. Easily said, but a little harder to do as it took quite some time to get everything done and tightened up. Then hooked up the tailshaft again, luckily Wade had ensured I marked the caps so I knew which one went on which. Wade was going to continue with installing undercar parts, specifically the clutch linkage, when I departed as grandfatherly babysitting duties again called.

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Looks like Gerd has depicted Mouton the way I sometimes see Moutons older friends. Yes, mouton is a lamb. The back-story on the running joke / connection to Mouton and our Packard's is some of the cars used Mouton carpet. West and others described Mouton wool and the notion that Mouton Carpet is very young lamb. A week or so after reading that thread, one of our sheep had a little lamb, cleaned it, and got it on its feet, but seemed to completely forget about it and did not take care of it. The little lamb was doomed, giving that final death rattle with heavy head and sinking eyes. My wife said she would bottle feed it. This is a very expensive proposition, about $4 to $6 dollars a day in evaporated goat milk and honey for about 4 to 6 weeks depending on how they come along. Keep in mind a yearling lamb is worth about $30 - $40 bucks. Not a great investment, but makes her happy.

I recalled the Peterson thread about Mouton wool and showed it to Debbie and teased her about using mouton for the rear carpet in the Packard. She said only if it could exit the car and return to the pasture. Of course, that became the running joke with Dave, local Packard folks, and eventually made it to the Peterson threadhttps://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4307&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0&start=60 Post # 70 where I jokingly offered Mouton to West for his rear compartment. Imagine Debbie's surprise and dismay to see little Mouton on the P-Info pages. West was having none of little Mouton. West informed us that our Mouton was just too old. Besides, West's existing Mouton looks pretty good and will not likely stray from the car when a show is held on grass.

It didn't stop there. Big Kev mentioned that his interior was rough. His floors were bear and his seats mere springs. I did the only thing any concerned P-Info member in my position could do, that's right... I offered him Mouton carpet!https://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=57&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0&start=720 Post 727. To my complete and utter surprise (and Debbie's joy!) Big Kev was having none of Mouton in the back of his car. Kev said "No more animals of any kind in the Clipper! Not unless I am installing a grass floor! It would work well as the floor already has multiple drainage holes!" Well, what now... the only thing I could think of since Mouton was related to a number of proper Packard interiors was to register Mouton in the owner's registry, and post pictures of each feeding! Tong in cheek, taking a moment to give you the business about Mouton as well Mal.

Just kind of a ha ha deal that a number of us were bantering about, but it seems to have gone astray in the chat room.

Again, sorry for the Tomfoolery and hope the proverbial lamb is out of the bag! The offer stands on the snubber. PM me your mailing address and I will send one over straight away.

Thanks Mal,
Jim

Wednesday 26th May 2010

Arrived to find Wade putting the trans top back on the '41, prior to that he'd topped up the oil with the top off, a much more civilised way of doing it rather than under the car. And a reminder we'd topped the OD up yesterday before the engine/trans unit went back in the '41, also much easier doing it that way. And hadn't Wade been busy in my absence. Re-installed starter motor, generator, clutch and brake pedal linkages, road draft tube and many more. By the looks of it, I only hold him back when I'm around! After the trans top he was back under the '41 to re-connect the gear linkages while I screwed the pedal floor plate into place. I also cleaned up the block and head surfaces in preparation for re-installing the cylinder head. Before putting the head on though Wade liberally oiled each cylinder. Head in place, unleashed the bling in the form of chromed, domed heat nuts and washers, then torqued down the head in increments to 63ft/lbs, or is that lbs/ft? It's much easier doing it in the car when there aren't any mudguards(fenders) impeding accessibility. Can also understand why Wade has the tightening sequence memorised he's done it so often. The oil filter housing and lines were also hooked up as well as the oil filler tube. The engine was then filled to slightly overfull with Penrite Running In Oil, and the oil filter filled as well before it's top was put on and it also benefited from a new filter cartridge. The shop booster battery was then brought into play with a good dose of 12V cranking to circulate oil throughout the engine, confirmed by the oil pressure gauge showing slight movement.

That done, then all the remaining parts and pieces needing to go back on the engine were attended to. Carburettor and linkages, water pump, exhaust pipe, distributor & cap & leads, sparkplugs, horns, coil, fuel & vacuum lines, etc, etc. Even though the radiator wasn't connected it was decided to see if it would fire up. You'll be able to see most of the attempts in this video. Main problems to starting were 1) no fuel in the lines, 2) Optima 6V battery had been sitting for almost 6 months, & 3) Mal in attendance at the throttle linkage. First couple of attempts turned over but no fuel up to carb. Then used 12V booster only, and fuel now up to carb. Checked and re-set timing slightly before next attempt, still no joy. Re-set timing again, by this time Rick had come over to join the fun, but although it kicked didn't keep going. By this time too much fuel and was flooded and Rick advised I should have held the throttle open longer when it did kick. So handed over throttle duties to Rick while I videoed, and it worked, didn't run for long but it did run. The next and last attempt, unfortunately not captured on video, started and continued running but not long enough for any real heat to be generated, and oil pressure was up to about 40lbs so that seems OK, and it ran smoothly and quietly. Left it at that until the radiator is back on and water in the system before firing it up again. Checked the engine over, no oil leaks but there is a leak at the fuel pump which requires investigation and corrective action.

Quote:Jim,

Thanks for the generous offer, but I am putting my fate in the hands of The Flackmaster and Bates Engineering. I'm expecting a call any day now.

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Friday 28th May 2010

Today we were going to fire up the '41 again but other things intervened. Like what? Like..............Packards! But before moving on to that I'll just mention that yesterday although I didn't go the workshop, and neither did Wade, I dropped in the '41's OD cable to General Auto Instruments for repair or replacement. Working on the '41 earlier in the week, Wade found the OD cable wouldn't budge at all. When worked on back in 2008, see this post in Mal's '41 Club Coupe Project Blog, the cable had a kink in it which impeded operation. Now it just won't move at all. GAI are the people we've used previously for making new hand brake and speedo cables and Harvey also used them for a new OD cable for one of Vince's '39's. But when in showing counterman Daniel the cable, fitting and switch instead of the "she'll be right. mate" response I was expecting, it was something like "Oh, I don't know if we can do that." Apparently the fact it has a switch in it and has been tampered with previously(no, not by us) led to him giving disclaimers about trying but could end up in failure or a pile of pieces!!!! What was I to do? Rang Wade, but no answer so left a message. Also left the cable at GAI and advised I'll call with instructions as to whether to proceed or not. So after talking it over with Wade this morning, rang and gave GAI the go ahead. After all we need a cable for the OD. So GAI the ball's now in your court!

But back to today. Earlier in the week I'd arranged for Wade and myself to go and see new PACA member ChrisR, and his Packards, and he's also a PackardInfo member but more of that later. A little about Chris first and the Packard influences in his life. Chris's brother had a '37 or '38 110 Sedan some 40 years ago which impressed Chris at the time. Also the '54 Convertible now owned by our Club President and which Chris had come across previously in the last few years also left it's mark. All this inspired him into acquiring the 3 Packards he now has. Chris also has a '62 Studebaker Hawk Gran Turismo which he's had for 20 years and which he restored and is also building a '53 Studebaker Starliner Coupe with Chev V8, B&M Hydro, Jag Rear End, Disc Brake Front End on a Hawk chassis but will look "stock". Then recently, well September 2009, Chris bought 2 Packards in the US off eBay. A '48 Club Sedan and a '54 Clipper Super Club Sedan. The '48 was, and maybe still is, going to be built into a "woodie" but when he saw it after arrival he's now in two minds whether to do that or not because it's in much better condition than expected. The '48 is presently parked at a hot rod shop at Camden, about 45 miles south-west, so was not viewable today but when I do see it I'll post pic's. The '54 is currently being worked on with suspension and brakes including the BTV all rebuilt and when the body work is done will be up and running soon. Since buying these two Packards, Chris also bought another Packard off eBay in the US, this time a '53 Mayfair Hardtop, which only arrived a week ago! Looks like he's got the disease real bad! Chris has had all 3 running since hitting Aussie soil and all appeared to run well, well as well as dirty carbs and such will allow. Plus, I'm penning an article about Chris and his cars for an upcoming edition of our club magazine to introduce him as a new member in the club. And being a PackardInfo member I advised Chris it was his duty to include all 3 Packards in the Packard Owner's Registry and seeing I knew where he lived, like Auntie Jack if he didn't I'd come round and rip his bloody arms off! On the lighter side, was also able to give Chris a quick tutorial on using PackardInfo so there is a more caring and sharing side to this PackardInfo member, not the Owner Registry Ogre some might think I am.


On the way back to the workshop also called in to see John, the owner of the TJ Richards bodied '39 sedan Wade transplanted a rebuilt motor into last year. And I learned that Noel, earlier in the week on his way back from seeing Peter Packard in Canberra about 170 miles south of Sydney, had an accident in the Ute he was driving. Aquaplaned over 150 yards before crashing into a tree and ending upside down, truck driver following pulled up, raced over, yanked open the passengers door and was able to get Noel out. Noel's OK, sore from the seat belt doing its job, and just thankful it's not worse. In fact Noel dropped some parts into the workshop while we were out so it hasn't slowed him down too much.

Video '54 Clipper Super Club Sedan

Link to Picasa Album of Chris's cars Dave, there are Theft Proof Numbers and Body I/D Tags in amongst them. Very hard to determine engine numbers but the '53 starts with L4 and the '54 with M3.

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