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Re: Rear axle help (54-55)
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What is shown in your pic of the bearing race (cup) is "spalling". That is metal fatigue, not rust pits. You need a new bearing and race. Your current bearing and race is a failure waiting to happen. First,the diff will start to growl, and then maybe a bearing roller pops out of the cage and finds its way in between the pinion and ring gear. Then you've got all sorts of problems. And expense. Do it once,and do it right.

Posted on: 6/5 18:03
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Re: Rear axle help (54-55)
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The side bearings are Bower 25590/25520

The frontmost bearing is Bower HM89449/HM89410

The large bearing is almost certainly a Bower HM804848/HM804810

Posted on: 6/5 19:31
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Re: Rear axle help (54-55)
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Ok on closer inspection I agree at least these side bearings are nearly shot. You can see the one race has a lot of spalling. The other one appears to maybe be corrosion, it's not as bad as it looks in the photo, but still not worth keeping. The rollers are visibly scored; the worse of the two is also feelable with a fingernail, though not enough to grab. I noticed the bores are also scored noticeably. What is the fix for this?

The front bearings to me seem fine. Not 100% new but a lot better than the side bearings. I believe this differential has never been torn down, so it's 93k miles on these, and these look like they could do some more.

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Posted on: 6/5 20:01
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Re: Rear axle help (54-55)
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Ok, on Page 5 of the Rear Axle manual, at the very end, they start to talk about setting the pinion bearing preload. I think I can follow what they are asking regarding measuring the torques.

What are the talking about with "when tightening, the sleeve will collapse"?? What do they mean by collapse? The sleeve I removed did not look the least bit "collapsed" nor do I understand the point of such a thing.

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Posted on: 6/16 19:07
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Re: Rear axle help (54-55)
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HPH

Pinion bearing adjustment is somewhat similar to adjusting the clearance of the outboard axle bearings, except in the case of the pinion bearings the clearance is considered negative, meaning the bearings are tight enough to produce a rotational drag. Some manufactures used a shimming procedure that was somewhat iterative. I don’t know of any designs that had a threaded adjustment for the pinion bearing adjustment, but given the number of designs there may be at least one that featured an adjustable feature, but alas not the Packard design.

Fast forward to a simpler design of setting pinion bearing preload that does not require a distance measurement, or shimming, and can be done once and once only. This simpler design places a spacer between the bearings. This spacer is a piece of tubing (pinion gear passes through the center) that starts life longer than needed. A long spacer results in loose bearing that would have much less than the required drag torque. One more special feature of this design is the spacer tubing has a bead rolled in it. The bead is proud on the outer diameter. Most shop manuals suggest this bearing spacer is a ‘use once’ item.

As the pinion flange nut is tightened the inner races of both bearings and the spacer become in intimate contact, but may not yet be the correct total length. Addition tightening of the flange nut begins to collapse the tubular spacer and the length is approaching the correct length. The bead in the tubing is the location where all of the plastic deformation is occurring (that’s why the bead is there in the first place) . . . the spacer is getting shorter. You continue this process until the required drag torque is correct. By using a collapsable spacer the pinion bearing drag is an assembly process that is not iterative.

One of my non-Packard shop manuals suggests a torque of 350 ft-lbs may be required to collapse the spacer. The forums advise on pinion seal replacement stress the idea that getting the pinion nut back to the same position with respect to the pinion shaft is a recognition that the collapsable spacer should be returned to the same load / dimension . . . not tighter, or looser. Ultimately, we’re trying to get back to the same bearing preload.

Since you have a bare case you will be determining the correct spacer length by measuring the rotational drag of the bearings and seal. By the way, the bearing drag adjustment is a completely different process from the pinion depth shimming.

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Re: Rear axle help (54-55)
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Thanks David.

As a side note, I have found that NO seal on the market today is a direct replacement for the front diff seal. So I am ordering one from MM.

I know $45 isn't exactly breaking the bank, but it's expensive for a seal, so I wanted to check. Also not super fond of the "felt in front of a single lip seal" tech but oh well.

The reason why is because Packard took a regular seal and shoved it in a formed metal case. So the OD is completely nonstandard. So unless you want to cut open the old one with a Dremel and reuse the case, you will get nowhere.

Posted on: 6/22 18:19
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