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Special tool J-5981?????? For window handles?
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Looking in the service manual under body, special tool J-5921 is suggested for removing door handles. Two questions:

Same tool for window cranks?

Is this tool anything more than a steel 3/4 inch putty knife that has been bent a bit so as not to gouge the door panel?

Than for filling in the gaps!

Posted on: 2010/6/25 14:46
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Re: Special tool J-5981?????? For window handles?
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Yes, same tool - J-5981 - is used for the window regulator crank handles as well as the inside door handles.

Years ago, I found a Snap-On tool (59638A) in my dad's old tool box that works just as well, but I can't find any info about it online. This double-ended tool is a 1" wide blade of metal that's bent with an offset to provide a handle - no matter which end you're using. The notch that fits the Packard handles measures just about 1/2" wide and 9/16" deep.

Some of the tools designed for pushing the wire clip off of GM window crank handles (and inside door handles on some vehicles) may also work.

I have a Steck 16000 Door Handle Tool (shown below) that I use on GM window crank handles. The innermost notch has similar dimensions as the Snap-On tool.

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Lisle 18600 Window and Door Clip Remover/Installer looks similar to the Steck 1600.

If you make your own, make sure the blade is free of burrs and sharp edges.

Posted on: 2010/6/25 15:38
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I have a tool similar to that shown and it works but mine is not the same brand and is a bit too wide. The Packard clip is different than GM in that it doesn't completely remove like the wire clip but just has to be slightly pushed back to release.

You can have either of two type clips as first picture shows. Other pictures are of the Packard handle. Slot needs to be 7/16 to 1/2 wide to just clear the square handle post and maybe 1/2 to 5/8 deep. Important that it not be so wide as to miss one side of small ears on clip that it has to catch to push back. If you have the type A clip, and only push one side, the ear can bend or break before the clip releases.

While a tool with a slot makes it a lot easier, if you're careful not to slip and risk scratching or tearing something, clips can be released with two small thin screwdrivers.

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Posted on: 2010/6/25 15:55
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Re: Special tool J-5981?????? For window handles?
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The picture in the manual does not show the business end of the tool, just where to use it.

I take it that the objective is to push both ends of the clip back a bit from the "axle" that it clips to, while simultaneously prying the handle away from the door?

Do these tools abound on some secret part of the internet, or do most folks make their own, or do most favor two screwdrivers?

Posted on: 2010/6/25 20:41
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The operation of the tool is as you mentioned. The type Brian and I have are readily available at many parts stores in the misc tools or upholstery tools section. Mine is the KD 431 such as Sears sellshttp://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00993939000P?vName=Sears%20Pro&cName=Professional&sName=Mechanics%20Tools%20&%20Auto%20Supplies&sid=IDx20070921x00003d&srccode=cii_13736960&cpncode=17-56950976-2

You can make one by slotting a piece of sheet metal (around 16ga or approx 1/16" or less) about an inch wide and several inches long. A putty knife would work but might be hardened and hard to slot. Bend it as shown in the manual. Narrow is better because if it scratches, handle will cover them. The KD tool is just a bit wide and needs care when you slide it behind the handle so it won't scratch the painted door panel (or snag the upholstery if that is what you have) above and below the handle.

NOTE: This one is shown backward so you could see the number. Normally, the door handle would fit into the slight recess of the tool and smooth side would be toward panel.

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Posted on: 2010/6/25 21:12
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Awesome & great pictures!

Posted on: 2010/6/25 22:36
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Just for the sake of comparison, attached is a pic of the Snap-On 59638A that I use on the Packard handles.

I suspect the hole inboard of the square notch is merely provided for hanging the tool on the wall, if desired.

I have no idea what the the notch in the other end of the tool is for.

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Posted on: 2010/6/26 9:34
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I believe the tool is designed to remove two types of interior door and window handles. One end for the flat spring type (as we have been discussing) and the other end for the round spring wire type (used on earlier Packards).

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Posted on: 2010/6/26 9:40
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Thanks for clearing up that mystery for me, JW.

I remember my dad mentioning, decades ago, that the other end was for wire clips, but that message was lost on me. The only wire clips I'd seen were on handles from GM cars, and the only Packard that I've owned and worked on were 55-56.

Since my dad worked in a Packard dealership as a mechanic - on and off - for about ten years, it makes sense that he would have such a tool. Now that we finally have his old tool box home, I plan on going through it with him, this winter, and tagging any special tools. I'll be sure post news and pix of any good Packard finds.

Posted on: 2010/6/26 9:53
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The original poster is lucky to need the tool in the first place. The Packard clips including the "improved" variety are notorious for not holding the handle in place.

Posted on: 2010/7/1 19:09
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