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Put your Packard in the Packard Owners Registry here on PackardInfo!
 (Sorry Ross, I was ordered to do that.) Attach file:  (18.54 KB)
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Re: 1949, 2265 Deluxe Eight Club Sedan *TECHNICAL DATA*
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...I ask these questions because it appears the Packard company did not furnish such a data sheet in 1949. But a Packard technical expert may be able to assemble part of the data from available sources and measure the rest. Rusty, doubtless a Packard technical expert would be able to provide the required data. The liability law requires a publicly appointed and sworn German surveyor. Quote: ...was this information required in 1949? If not, then your car should not require it now... Asbestos, leaded fuel and other carcinogenic substances, environmental pollution, occupant protection,... you know that we have (and often have to have) different answers than 60 years before. Traffic density, ecological sensibility, traffic law, fireprotection and so forth. I'm aware that some of the remarks work like a red rag to a bull (e.g. what is a 49 Packard compared to a permanent repository for nuclear waste etc.). Please try to also take into consideration that a national legislator has to work with aggregated requirements while we are daydreamers who would like to live our subjective anachronism amidst a modern world. I think that a politican is no stranger to longing for easy answers. (Nor me.)  [picture source: www.autoservice-clauss.de]
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Alex, ich wei? nicht, ob noch aktuell, aber vor einigen Jahren war es noch ?blich, ?ber den T?V Augsburg (Abteilung Internationale Gutachten) ein Datenblatt zu beauftragen. Die Anfrage selbst ist kostenlos und falls man dort ein Datenblatt erstellen kann und Du dies beauftragst, dann kostet es ca. 100 Euro. Das mag nach sehr viel klingen, ist aber aber um ein Vielfaches g?nstiger und schneller als eine Vollabnahme. Informiere mich bitte bei Gelegenheit ?ber den Erfolg.
--> Tel. +49 (0) 821 5904161 --> Fax. +49 (0) 821 5904159 Falls die Nummern nicht mehr aktuell sein sollten, geh hier lang. The above given German phone number connects you to a TUV-department in charge for data sheets. Attach file: (6.78 KB)
Posted on: 2011/6/20 18:08
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well, yes, one possibility, but....if a similar car had ever been regsitered in Germany, the T?V would have a data sheet, no ? Nein, leider nicht. Nur bei Gro?serienfahrzeugen kannst Du sicher sein, da? jede Pr?fstelle Zugriff auf die zertifizierten Daten des Herstellers hat. Ohne Datenblatt hast Du ein Problem Alex. No, unfortunately not! Only high-volume production has a "CoC" (Certificate of Conformity). Without data sheet you have a bad problem.
Posted on: 2011/6/20 16:47
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Alex, kontaktiere gr??ere US-Car Importeure. Sofern Du die Daten eines jemals registrierten 49er Club Coupe in den H?nden h?ltst, bist Du aus dem Schneider.
Alex, try to get in contact with established US-car importers. All you need is the data of one single 49 club sedan which has been registered in Germany. -->http://www.american-dream-cars.net/ -->http://www.uscars24.de/Deutsch/Index.html
Posted on: 2011/6/20 16:30
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...until he got to "Interior space in cubic metres?" I replied "It's a convertible..if I put the top down can I say infinite?"... 
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...I have been looking for pictures. I have not found them, yet. There MAY have been an article in one of the PAC newsletters... Let the ride decide, thanks anyway!
Posted on: 2011/6/20 16:02
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40 years ago it was 1971, 22 years after the 49 Packard was produced. I consider 1971 to be "recent" in the context of what we are discussing... The mentioned ABE (Vehicle Type Approval) is a certificate of compliance, issued for a vehicle type and based on manufacturer's data. If a vehicle type based on its manufacturer's data complies to the national regulations then this vehicle type gets a Vehicle Type Approval. The process of getting this general approval is detached from a specific car and its age is irrelevant too. If Alex would install a trombone instead of an exhaust nothing would change as long as the vehicle type has a vehicle type approval. To get a license plate a specific car with Vehicle Type Approval has to conform to the manufacturer's data. That would be the suitable moment to have an exhaust pipe installed instead of a trombone. Quote: ...On the subject of the 1903 vehicle, I did not intend to imply that a German made high quality vehicle would be exempt, I meant that I would think that the authorities would realize that a 1903 vehicle would not have had noise standards from the manufacturer. I was trying to put in in the realm of common sense... If manufacturer data for a vehicle type are not available a car needs a single certificate of exemption. For that purpose it has to be measured to ensure that it corresponds to the national regulations. Its origin, build quality and age are irrelevant. Quote: ...I'm most interested in how this will be resolved, like to learn something new. The moral values of the noise output of a 60 year old car which in probability will hardly be driven somehow escapes me, but as I said I can still be educated... A car which in probability will hardly be driven doesn't need a registration. The inner sense for a car registration is to drive it.
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...the decibel rating of noise at certain speeds / conditions is a rather new TUV requirement ... For many decades the data in the registration certificate are based on the so-called ABE ("Allgemeine Betriebserlaubnis" = Vehicle Type Approval). I don't know since when Germany has noise emission regulations but the current noise control regulation is older than 40 years. [Richtlinie 70/157/EWG des Rates vom 6. Februar 1970 zur Angleichung der Rechtsvorschriften der Mitgliedstaaten ?ber den zul?ssigen Ger?uschpegel und die Auspuffvorrichtung von Kraftfahrzeugen (ABl. EG Nr. L 42 S. 16), ge?ndert durch die im Anhang zu dieser Vorschrift genannten Bestimmungen] Quote: ...and certainly if a 1903 Mercedes were imported today they would not need those figures... Germany isn't a Banana republic but a country whose rules and regulations reflect serious moral values. Names, brands and prominence are irrelevant to register a car. [img width=300]http://erhard-metz.de/wp-content/uploads/Justitia_am_K?lner_Rathaus-430.jpg[/img] - the blind Lady Justice; city hall Cologne - Quote: I think someone a your certification authority has their wires crossed ... A little pressure shopiuld resolve that, but then again it is Germany!... The German machinery of officialdom as executive part of the juristic infrastructure is an anchor point of our commonwealth and by the way an export hit for decades.
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...Do YOU have contact to any other Packard owners in Germany with a similar type of car ? Do you own a Packard yourself ?... Alex, ich besitze keinen Packard und gratuliere Dir ganz herzlich zu Deinem tollen Wagen. Bez?glich der Kontakte zu anderen deutschen Packardeigent?mern wirst Du eine pers?nliche Nachricht in Deinem Postfach vorfinden. Bin ich wirklich der erste in diesem Forum, der Dir sagt, wie gro?artig die Fotos sind? Jedes einzelne ein kleines Kunstwerk. Alex, I don't own a Packard and congratulate you to your wonderful car. In terms of contacts to other German Packard owners you'll find a PM in your inbox. Am I really the first forum member who points out how great the photographs are? Every single one of them much more artwork than picture.
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