The Scotchlite decals offered by the PAC mentioned earlier come in two sizes, so apparently there were at least two different sizes of hexagons used. In their ads for the Scotchlite decals PAC recommends you measure your hexagons before ordering. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Ken

For what it is worth, I bought a tailpipe for my first 53 Clipper from Kepich Exhaust a/k/a Klasskollection in the early 70's and it was fine. Plus the fact that the guy has been in business that long says something for him.
Ken Dunning

I was born in 1955 so now am 54. My parents owned a 1953 Packard Clipper touring sedan from 1953 that they bought brand new and sold it in 1962. Therefore a Packard brought me home from the hospital as a baby and was the first family car I knew. When I was 18 in 1973 I bought my first car, a 1953 Packard Clipper Deluxe touring sedan, which I kept until 1989.

My current cars are:
2000 Buick LeSabre Limited 4 door sedan
1953 Packard Clipper Deluxe touring sedan (bought in 2008)

Other cars I have owned:
1975 Chevy Vega Notchback Sedan (only one I bought new--with the infamous 4 cyl. aluminum engine.)
1975 Pontiac Ventura 2 door coupe (straight 6)
1984 Mazda 2000 SE-5 extended bed pickup truck (4 cyl.)
1988 Ford Ranger extended cab pickup truck ( 4 cyl.)
1984 Cadillac Sedan DeVille 4 door sedan (with the infamous HT4100 aluminum V-8 engine)

Both Packards apparently went over 100K miles before my ownership.

All other cars I have ever owned have gone over 100K miles with the original engine during my ownership, including the Chevy Vega and the HT4100 powered Cadillac Sedan Deville.
I change my own oil and oil filter about every 3,000 miles and maintain my cars pretty good.
Ken

51 Packard,
If your 51 engine is like my 53 engine, #3 has the date the engine was made.
Ken

Thanks for the kind words. Mr. Heinmuller and Mr. Dawes are the real heroes. They did the hard work and were willing to share.
Ken

Hi Packard Info Folk!

You may recall that we discussed who was the stylist or stylists of the 1957 Packard Clipper and that it was pointed out by BH that there was a difference of opinion between The Packard 1942-1962 written by Nathaniel T. Dawes and Packard: A History of the Motor Car and the Company, the pertinent part being written by Dwight R. Heinmuller and George L. Hamlin. In his book Mr. Dawes credits Duncan McRae and William Schmidt for the design. In their book Mr. Heinmuller and Mr. Hamlin credit Dick Teague for the design. In an effort to determine the reason for the difference of opinion I wrote a letter to all three authors, seeking the reasons for their opinions. So far I have received two responses.

The order here is the order in which I received them. Here, word for word, is the response from Mr. Dwight Heinmuller:

Hi Ken:

Thanks for your letter regarding the 1957 Packard Clipper. In retrospect, and after more interviews with Packard stylists and others, I conclude that the 1957 Packard Clipper was a joint effort between Duncan McRae (deceased) and Dick Teague and their respective styling organizations. McRae was head of the Studebaker Styling Studio while Teague headed Packard's, both serving under William Schmidt as SP's VP Styling (he is deceased). When Schmidt came to Packard in April, 1955, he soon canceled the Raymond Loewy Organization consultancy. Remember that the basic car was a Studebaker design, modified to give it some individuality for the Packard nameplate, mainly with 1956 Clipper taillights. Timing in styling matters is really immaterial, since artistic inspiration occurs spontaneously and ends quickly. It's the details and the refinement of the original inspiration that take time, along with obtaining management approval and dealing with engineering considerations.

It is my conclusion, after interviewing so many automotive stylists, including Schmidt, Teague, John Reinhardt and many others, that automobiles are styled by group effort, with each individual contributing certain elements, under the leadership of a Chief Stylist, who may be able to take credit for a basic shape or theme, but not the entire concept. (I also have learned that many, not all, heads of styling tend to take all of the credit, without mentioning the contributions of others.)

For example, the flow-through hood/fender swoop on each side of the 1951 thru 1955 Packards, which was very well received in automotive styling circles, was designed by a Packard stylist named Robin Jones (living). This feature was incorporated into the overall Reinhardt design. The 1953/54 Packard cormorant hood ornament was designed by Packard Stylist Charles Phaneuf. The 1957 Predictor and the 1957 Predictor-style Packards, that were never built, were conceived by Bill Schmidt, Dick Teague and Dick MacAdam, among others, and largely completed by summer, 1955. Dick Teague, of course, designed the 1955/56 Packard cathedral taillights over the Easter Holiday in 1954. It is probable that a Detroit industrial design firm contributed the front end design of the 1955 Packard and Clipper, while Teague took care of the rear end, and members of Packard Styling contributed other features.

I hope that this opinion of mine adds something positive to the question as to who designed the 1957 Packard Clipper.

Regards,
Dwight
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Dwight R. Heinmuller

Here, word for word, is the response of Nathaniel T. Dawes:

September 17, 2009

Dear Ken,

Re: Your letter to me dated September 13. 2009

Enclosed is our prime source of the information in my book. During the compilation of historic information, Helen, my wife and helpmate of 45 years, persevered to corroborate such information included from another independent source. Starting with the SIA of March-April 1971 we compiled a draft of the sequence of design of the 57-58. We then requested an interview with Dick Teague. He responded that he would be delighted to be of any assistance in our endeavor. In March of 1973, Helen and I met with Dick in his office at AMC on Plymouth Road in Detroit (this was in conjunction with another sojourn to the Detroit Public Library). We asked Dick, "Did McRae do the 57-58 Packards?" He replied without hesitation, "Yes". That gave us our corroboration for the SIA information. Dick, as he preferred to be addressed, reminisced on his soujourn at Packard, prompted by Helen's gentle suggestions. Boy is she good!

Also in the SIA article regarding Bill Allison's torsion level suspension; he was an independent engineer trying to sell his suspension to somebody. He was not a Packard employee. That from Bill himself. That's another whole tale.

Happy Packarding!
Nat
Nat Dawes

Enclosure

(Summary of enclosure done by Ken)
Enclosed was a photocopy of pages 56 and 57 of article entitled "Postwar Packards" done by the Editors of Special-Interest Autos in their March-April 1971 issue. In pertinent part the article states "The 1957 Packards that Teague and Schmidt had designed never made steel. Instead production 1957's were facelifted Studebakers, quickly transmogrified by Duncan McRae to incorporate some of the Predictor's side styling, the 1956 Clipper's cathedral tail lamps, and a bit of Packardish grille." The article also describes William M. Schmidt as Studebaker-Packard's Vice President of Design, Dick Teague as head of Packard Styling, and Duncan McRae as head of Studebaker Styling. (The article does mistakenly state that William Allison, designer of torsion level suspension, was a Packard employee, and that is what Mr. Dawes is commenting on in his letter.) The article cites as some of its sources George Hamlin (for research consultation regarding production figures), Dick Teague, Vice President of Automotive Design of American Motors Corporation, and William M. Schmidt Associates, Inc.

A response from Mr. Hamlin has not yet been received but will be posted if received.

Thanks to Dwight Heinmuller and Nathaniel Dawes for their responses!

Ken

I have a 1953 Clipper originally with the KO color scheme, Orchard green bottom, Galahad Green top. Looks like it is a 1953 Clipper with an OK color scheme, Galahad Green bottom and Orchard Green top. An OK in OK! How appropriate!

Got a letter off to Mr. Dawes, Mr. Hamlin, and Mr. Heinmuller this Sunday. Hope the issue of who designed the 57 Packard Clipper can be clarified, be it Dick Teague, Bill Schmidt, Duncan McRae, some of the above, all of the above, or none of the above. Will let you know what happens.

Owen,
A good idea. Mr. Pushbutton, if you know them and are comfortable talking with them about the designer(s) of the 57 model, sounds like a good idea. Not knowing any of the three individuals involved I am more comfortable sending them a letter rather than calling them up out of the blue. Plus I think I would be able to more clearly express the situation in more tactful terms without sounding like I was accusing anyone of making a mistake. As far as I know, any one of them (or all of them) could be right. By all being right, I mean that perhaps Dick Teague, Duncan McRae, and William Schmidt ALL had a hand in the design. Will send letters to all three writers and will let you know what happens. Give me a little time. I do work two jobs.
Ken

Thanks, Owen,
Have read many articles by Dwight Heinmuller and George Hamlin in the PAC Packard Cormorant magazine and have a great deal of respect for them, as well as for Nat Dawes. I am sure all of them believed what they wrote to be true. But it would be interesting to know their sources.