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Posted on: 2014/10/21 1:21
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Thanks Mal!
Posted on: 2014/10/21 1:34
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good job, I bet the lack of extra sounds gives you a good feeling. this will likely be one of my winter projects too, so I might be nosing around for insights when that time comes!
Posted on: 2014/10/21 9:32
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Thank you HA52 - the lack of clatter is a good feeling and knowing that the little click that's left doesn't mean that the engine is getting ready to toss a rod all the way back to Grand Ave is a relief. I've been following your postings diligently as we seem to be going down the same path. I couldn't tell with any degree of certainty what was making the noise or really where even using a stethoscope. The thing than was most helpful was the picture that JD in KC posted of the leaking lifter. I had about three of them with one squirting a stream of oil that cleared the engine. That has stopped as well. It's a project that sounded daunting but really isn't. The main thing to remember is to plug the Oil Drains so those pesky keepers or locks don't escape to the crankcase. I had the benefit of a donor engine which was a good thing as even though I don't think I lost any, it saved time to have a few extras all cleaned and ready. Max Merritt has them (they call them Valve Keepers) for $3.00 a pair. If I had to do it over again, and I may depending on what I find in my "New" '51 Patrician, I might blow $9 for a backup. See if you can take pictures of the valve chamber when the engine is running to isolate the bad lifters. You'll think that you will remember which one's needed attention but if you're anything like me - life will get in the way and by the time you get back to it, you'll be lucky if you remember which Valve Cover the're under. I've been following your blog all along with special attention to your valve noise situation and more recently, your work on the body like "de-rusting" the body and the underside of the roof. Anything I can do to help I'll be happy to do so.
Posted on: 2014/10/21 12:07
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Glad to hear it all worked out. I know this is a little late but I have a dentist mirror that I use to check the keepers after removing the valve compression tool. I figure I would only mention so if someone else is following this they will think about it, maybe.
Wes
Posted on: 2014/10/21 13:35
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That's a great idea! It would work perfectly too. I know there'll be others interested in using this mirror. As I said earlier, I have yet to discover what evil lurks in the heart of my '51 Patrician. If it turns out that lifter cleaning is needed on that, I will be getting one for sure.
Jim
Posted on: 2014/10/21 14:39
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Hi I need some advice ,I had my 327 rebuilt for the 52 touring sedan and bought hydrolic lifters for the kit .,very gradual process,the rebuild ,.6 over bore so the cylinders are noce and tight , now 2 yr later engine installed and lo and behold low compression ,=40# and on 3 cylinders ,none! ,i removed the covers on the side of the engine all of the valves are going up and down ,made sure the timing was on the correct stroke ,put a little break in oil in the cylinders ,spun the engine a few times ,still the same no compresssion on 3 cylinders and 40 on the rest .not enough for the engine to catch so im stalled .
stuck lifters? I think the engine may have had solid ones originally ,I think ( cant remember ) I got them from max merrit ,if not Kanter ,they sat waiting thier turn for the rebuild and then for the engine install can I remove them withour taking the head off? i couldnt feel any bolts to loosen.looks like from your thread theres a spring to compress? does that let it be removd? sshould I put solids back in?big mystery!!
Posted on: 2014/11/11 9:24
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Hard to know just where to begin on this. The cam grind is different with solid versus hydraulic lifters; if you originally had solids you should stick with solids. If it had hydraulics, did you remember to check the valve stem to lifter body clearance per the shop manual for the 0.030 to 0.070 clearance? Did you grind the valve faces and seats? Was the cylinder head retorqued after sitting so long before you finally started the engine? That's a must do.
No, you can not remove the hydraulic lifter assemblies without removing the cylinder head.
Posted on: 2014/11/11 10:16
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If you do a cylinder leak down test. This will tell you where most of the problems are.
Wes
Posted on: 2014/11/11 10:38
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