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Thanks! I feel the same way, and did the same thing with my little 356 Porsche (ironically, I went from a 356 Porsch to a 356 Packard). If I was going to do any particular task, I would certainly take the time to do it correctly.
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Quote: ...Some one earlier, perhaps in this thread, made a comment about Packard's designing these lifters or something like that - Packard didn't design them, they were designed, patented and manufactured by Wilcox-Rich and are of the same design though slightly different than the Wilcox-Rich units used in the flathead Cadillac V8 (345 ci). Pierce Arrow had hydraulic lifters in the in-line 8s well before most anyone else - don't know who made these units but if anyone knows, I'd like to hear. [Owen Dyneto] BTW According to the German wikipedia and 800 other internet based sources no one less than Paul Daimler, eldest son of Gottlieb Daimler is reputed to be the inventor of the hydro lifters. But soon I found out that more than 600 of the mentioned sources use the same wording (even translated to several other languages). Let it be a warning! Wikipedia is a starting point of a research but if one uses it as single source it will soon lead to an embarrassment. Paul Daimler didn't invent the hydro lifters. Quote: Nearly identical Wilcox-Rich lifters were used in Lincoln V12 38-48, V8 49-51, Cadillac V8 38-48, Packard 356 40-50, some 288,327 and all 359 48-54. We make them all... [Fred Kanter] Horch used hydraulic lifters for the valve drive design of eight and twelve-cylinder engines from 1931, at about the same time as Pierce-Arrow.  [picture source: Audi.de]
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A little progress tonight. Cleaned and prepped the cylinder head.
Installed the new lifter, valve, and valve spring. I am sure glad Fred and Dan have these lifters reproduced! The new one looks very nice, and had excellent plunger to lifter body fitment. Attach file:  (58.76 KB) (53.17 KB) (52.59 KB) (37.83 KB)
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A side note; a while back, Kev posted about a filter added to his engine at some point that has the inlet on the bottom (middle of filter element) and outlet on the side. Well, mine does also. Ours are both marked Packard on the lid. This odd duck filters from the middle out, with a built in filter element bypass feature. The center tube has a bypass spring and ball arrangement and a cross drilled hole in the filter top nut. If the filter becomes plugged, the oil pops the bypass valve squirting up through the nut, out the side, and over the top of the filter element.
A very unconventional yet intentional way to filter, and bypass design feature. Effectively, this allowed the filter to supply oil full filtered to the valve train, without the need to plumb in external bypass mode with the restricted supply going to the filter. What does this all mean? Dunno, other than Kev's filter was not miss-stamped for inlet and outlet. Attach file: (26.09 KB) (30.86 KB) (35.89 KB)
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That filter arrangement with the center post inlet is consistent with several 1941 senior cars that I'm familiar with.
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That's really interesting. I hadn't noticed the lack of a pigtail in your oil filter plumbing set up before (post #81, photo labeled 'Freeze Plugs'). I guess if an owner was careful to keep the filters replaced and the in-filter bypass arrangement clean, it would be a good thing to have only full-filtered oil sent to the lifter gallery.
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I believe there is a Service Letter regarding updating 1940 models, and perhaps early 1941 models. This is the same system that I have.
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Correct! now that I have a much better understanding of what is happening here with the internal bypass and filter arrangement, I will carefully consider the reason they came up with that recommendation. It is nice to have a better grasp of how the system worked as originally designed.
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Kind of a quite night Packard wise. Did get the running board rubbers delivered from forum member 40packard who listed in the for sale forum. They look fantastic! I am a little miffed that this set came with special made rollers that help facilitate installation. The set I bought a couple years ago to install on the '39 and they didn't come with these. Oh well, it will be a few years before I install these, but am glad they are now in stock for future use. I dread installation. That is a TOUGH project.
Other than that, tonight will be spent doing further research on what is painted what. And where the decals are properly placed. Attach file: (43.66 KB)
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