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Re: 1955 Packard No Engine Number?
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packard34 wrote: Well... Latest update, The past few days we have spent a great deal of time working on the 55.......to make the vehicle registrable.


Mat,

Congratulations, almost there. Will you be at Wyong next Sunday for the Twin Lakes Classic Auto Club Show and Shine? And in convoy with Russ in the 400? If you are we'll see you there then. And.....167 sounds like a great engine number! Well to me it does, just hope the RTA think likewise.

EDIT - Mat, just realised I haven't seen your '34 or the '55 in the Owner Registry here. Seeing how I ask other people (although some might say I harangue or harass) to get their Packards in the Registry you can't be an exception! How about it Mat? You'll be pleased to know I asked 4 people at the 2009 National Rally Committee meeting today about the same thing, so you're not alone!

Posted on: 2008/11/2 4:15
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Re: 1955 Packard No Engine Number?
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Hi Mal,

Don't worry I haven't forgotten about the owners registry. I saw your post. I tried the other day but it taking a while to load, but over the next day or so I promise I'll put something on the owners registry

Posted on: 2008/11/2 6:08
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Re: 1955 Packard No Engine Number?
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Hi Again Mal,

I wish I could make the show, but i have a few things to sort out before that, the first is getting approval of the RTA to drive the car as I have my provisional drivers license, and also, either change the transmission or wait till December 18th when I can go for my green provisional license and drive both auto and manual cars. So from that date you can look forward to seeing either the 55 or the good old 34 attending the shows. The biggest problem will be what one to take?

I also hope the RTA likes the 167 engine number, well, I don't think they can argue with it considering it is stamped on the block.

Posted on: 2008/11/2 6:15
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Re: 1955 Packard No Engine Number?
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Mat, just register the car with the number on the driver's door pillar, that number would match the original engine number. It's what I did on my Patrician.

Posted on: 2008/11/2 12:55
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Re: 1955 Packard No Engine Number?
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Owen -

I had been a little confused about the "motor number" versus the "Utica number". After discussing the recent engine serial number reference, privately, with BigKev, I dug up a copy of a letter sent to all states WRT to title and registration of the 55th series cars. It clarifies (at least for me) that the the Motor Serial Number is, in fact, the same as the Vehicle Identification Number. Prior to that, I had (incorrectly) considered the Utica number on the V8s to be the functional equivalent of the engine serial number as used on the straight eights.

Next, you may recall that I've previously cited a copy of an internal document that decodes the Utica number's alpha prefix for the 56th Series. That document advised that "service stripped engines or short blocks are not stamped" with the Utica number. It's been my understanding that the "motor number" was stamped by Conner, but I was now confused whether the Utcia number was stamped on (complete) crate motors for service.

Now, taking your observations into consideration, I am more certain that a Packard V8 engine with only a Utica number and no motor/vehicle serial number was a complete engine that never made it to Conner.

Yet, I'm curious what Studebaker and American Motors did about the "motor number".


For posterity, it may be worth noting that per Studebaker SB-350 a "stripped engine" consisted of all the critical mechanical assemblies plus an oil pan. Did not include a distributor or any manifolds, so also no carburetor, water pump, fan, generator, etc. If any marks were on the block or heads they would be shown; likewise if they were known not to be then that eliminates the given part from being on a service engine.

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