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HH56

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

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Which yellow wire are you referring to as not having power? If it is the one on the ballast resistor terminal where the orange wire from OD relay connects, that should have power whenever the key is in the right or run position. The wire is fed directly from the IGN terminal of the ign switch via a splice connection. One spliced wire goes to the resistor and the other spliced in wire to the fuse block for the instrument cluster and maybe a couple of other items.

If it is the yellow wire that went to the old relay TH SW terminal, that would be ground side with ground supplied thru the governor when car reaches speed. If the inline connectors are good that only leaves the kickdown sw and the governor itself as the issue.

In testing the yellow ground wire side, you should be able to put one voltmeter lead on ground, and use the other lead to check each side of every terminal and connector in the yellow wire string. As long as the governor contact is not closed and connected to ground and voltage from the orange wire is feeding thru the relay coil, voltage should be able to be measured at every connection point down to the governor. As soon as the governor supplies a ground thru its contacts then the voltage in the string will go away and relay would energize. If there is voltage on one side of something but not the other that item is the problem.

On the governor itself, make sure all the mounting screws are tight. One of those that holds the plastic bottom to the body must be making good contact with the metal strap on the plastic bottom. That screw and strap is what supplies ground to the contacts.

Posted on: 2023/10/11 16:43

Howard

CarFreak

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

#312

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Quote:

HH56 wrote:
Which yellow wire are you referring to as not having power? If it is the one on the ballast resistor terminal where the orange wire from OD relay connects, that should have power whenever the key is in the right or run position. The wire is fed directly from the IGN terminal of the ign switch via a splice connection. One spliced wire goes to the resistor and the other spliced in wire to the fuse block for the instrument cluster and maybe a couple of other items.

If it is the yellow wire that went to the old relay TH SW terminal, that would be ground side with ground supplied thru the governor when car reaches speed. If the inline connectors are good that only leaves the kickdown sw and the governor itself as the issue.

In testing the yellow ground wire side, you should be able to put one voltmeter lead on ground, and use the other lead to check each side of every terminal and connector in the yellow wire string. As long as the governor contact is not closed and connected to ground and voltage from the orange wire is feeding thru the relay coil, voltage should be able to be measured at every connection point down to the governor. As soon as the governor supplies a ground thru its contacts then the voltage in the string will go away and relay would energize. If there is voltage on one side of something but not the other that item is the problem.

On the governor itself, make sure all the mounting screws are tight. One of those that holds the plastic bottom to the body must be making good contact with the metal strap on the plastic bottom. That screw and strap is what supplies ground to the contacts.

thank you for that. I will go through all the connections and make sure they are tight.

I did take the car out again last night for a 50 mile run. Basically the route I would take to work to see how the car would handle it in non rush hour traffic. it did do well! During this run I was on a straight away long enough in a tunnel to watch the tach, and it does appear that the car does go into over drive! I probably need to drive it more in day light to visually see the rpms but I was able to hit about 70 mph while the engine was turning 2,000 rpm. The trans did start to make a groawning noise at some points but as I increased speed it went away. I have a sneaking suspicion that it happens when I am in over drive and the engine rpms are too low. Ill just have to drive it more and find out.

Posted on: 2023/10/12 8:45

Marvin

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

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Please excuse my ignorance. You mention overdrive, I have not yet had the pleasure of driving my 56 Patrician, but hopefully soon. I am assuming the H button on the push button selector is overdrive. If this is correct, do you push it at a stop position or while driving? And your dash pad looks great. Mine not so much. Is it original or a replacement?

Posted on: 2023/10/12 9:49

BigKev

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

#314

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Overdrive is only applicable to manual transmission on Packards.

If you car has an Ultramatic, no overdrive.

The "H" just means High Range. I believe it took the place of "D" on prior years.

Posted on: 2023/10/12 10:04

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HH56

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

#315

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BigKev is correct. H means high range and was the Ultramatic range used for most years. It did skip being used in the late 54 Gear Start Ultramatic and 55 Twin Ultra but resumed again in the 56 TU. In the 54 GS Ultra there was a D and a dot or in 55, D with triangles on either side to denote the two drive positions.

For the 56 Twin Ultramatic they eliminated use of dots or triangles so selecting H means the trans works exactly as the older 49 thru mid 54 models. It starts and stays in high range for all speeds with only the direct drive clutch coming in at the point speed and the throttle position dictates.

For 56, D or drive is the automatic shifting range. This dual function of original operation or the new shifting action is the reason for a name of Gear Start in 54 or Twin Ultramatic in 55-6. In this range the transmission starts in low gear, automatically shifts into high range and then into direct drive. This is all controlled by speed and throttle position and unlike the original models, no action is needed by the driver to manually make the shifts.

L still means low range and trans starts and stays in low with only the direct drive clutch coming in, again determined mostly by throttle position.

Posted on: 2023/10/12 10:46

Howard

CarFreak

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

#316

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Quote:

Marvin wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance. You mention overdrive, I have not yet had the pleasure of driving my 56 Patrician, but hopefully soon. I am assuming the H button on the push button selector is overdrive. If this is correct, do you push it at a stop position or while driving? And your dash pad looks great. Mine not so much. Is it original or a replacement?

Thank you, it is a replacement. I had it recovered by a company in California. It took a couple months for them to complete the work.

Now if you decide to go that route, it is a PAIN to do. The dash board has to come out and then be separated (some say they could separate the dash with it in place, but I dont have the patience for that). To remove the dash board you either need to disconnect all the wires that are attached to it, or disconnect all the wires in the engine bay and pull the harness through the firewall. Either is not fun.

Posted on: 2023/10/12 11:59

CarFreak

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

#317

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Looking through my check list. What is needed to secure the Packard script along the side and rear of the vehicle? Are they trim nuts? Or some type of push nut?

Thanks

Posted on: 2023/10/12 17:43

Packard Don

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

#318

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Per the parts book on this site they are speednuts which in this case are thin push-on rectangular pieces. Should be the same or similar as found on the side fender scripts and there are seals that go behind them.

Posted on: 2023/10/12 18:09

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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

#319

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe in the trunk area specifically they used a specific round speednut with a foam washer behind it for weatherproofing. Obviously you don't have to replicate this setup unless you are regularly exposing the car to torrential downpours with your most prized possessions in the trunk.

Posted on: 2023/10/12 19:05

CarFreak

Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician

#320

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Quote:

humanpotatohybrid wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe in the trunk area specifically they used a specific round speednut with a foam washer behind it for weatherproofing. Obviously you don't have to replicate this setup unless you are regularly exposing the car to torrential downpours with your most prized possessions in the trunk.

so just speed nuts then? I have access to the backsides of all the panels that it shouldnt be a problem

Posted on: 2023/10/13 11:23

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