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Re: Don’s 1937 (120) 138CD Deluxe Touring Limo
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New question…

I noticed tonight that my taillights were very dim compared to normal. After a little bit of troubleshooting, I noticed that my taillights are good as long as my instrument/map light switch is in the off position. If I switch that to either the instrument light or map light position, the taillights get noticeable dimmer. There does not seem to be any impact to the headlights brightness.

Looking at the wiring diagram that I put together some time ago in conjunction with the original Packard diagrams, the problem is not obvious. Has anyone else experienced this? My only thought right now is that it may be a bad/dirty ground connection, but I’m not sure where.

Thoughts?


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Re: Don’s 1937 (120) 138CD Deluxe Touring Limo
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I'd get out a multi-meter and see if/what the voltage drop is taillights with the maplight on/off.

There is a possibility that there is some kind of minor short it that map light switch.

If you see a drop when the swtich is in either position, then try removing the switch from the dash and let it dangle so it's no longer grounded, and see if the problem persists.

If it suddenly goes away, then the switch has some kind or minor internal short.

Power follows the easiest path. So a minor short in the swtich and/or combined with dirty grounds or dirty connections somewhere between headlight switch and the taillight sockets could cause the issue.

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Re: Don’s 1937 (120) 138CD Deluxe Touring Limo
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good Idea on checking out the switch, Kevin. I have added this to my list.

In the meantime, I made the new support brace for the air cleaner. I’ll prime and paint it when I take things back apart to pull the manifold.

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Re: Don’s 1937 (120) 138CD Deluxe Touring Limo
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The brace looks excellent! I have one for a 1940 110 which looks much the same so yours is a nice, authentic-looking replacement.

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Re: Don’s 1937 (120) 138CD Deluxe Touring Limo
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Thanks, Don.

So, today was a really good day. There were some frustrations along the way, but another “winter project” is complete.

But first, a huge THANK YOU to to Henry (CLi55er). I could not have completed this project with out all the help…absolutely priceless!

After talking to Henry this morning and while having him on the phone, I got the car started with the “new” Carter WD-0 carburetor. That was huge! But, I quickly realized I had a couple fuel leaks at the newly installed glass bowl fuel filter.

I tried tightening the connections and that took care of one but not the other. In the end, Greg (my son) and I concluded that I had failed with my double flares for the new fuel lines. With that, and a few practice flares, I remade the lines and we got them installed. It probably took longer than it should have, but we were talking and watching the Chiefs game as well. In the end the second attempt at the fuel lines were a success and Greg and I had a fun day together.

Then, it was back to the carburetor. I had to adjust the throttle linkage (shorten) quite a lot when installing the new carb. Even after the choke opened fully, it was still idling a little fast. We adjusted that and got it at a nice idle. Time for a test drive.

Now, I knew this already, but clearly got over confident. ALWAYS do a lap around the block for a test drive before getting on the highway (35mph speed limit). I didn’t do that and when I went to go, the car decided otherwise. It was everything I could do to keep it going. So, we limped back home and the text messages to Henry started again. We decided that the issue had to be with the accelerator pump and were discussing how to adjust that. That’s when Greg looked at the carb and realized that I must have knocked that linkage loose when installing the choke tube. Well, that explained a lot! We reconnected that and secured the retainer clip and back for another test drive.

This time, I did go around the block first and everything seemed good. We then drove up to O’Reillys to return the rented flare tool followed by an extended test drive. Wow, what a difference. The car has a LOT more “get up and go”. I couldn’t be happier.

So for the day, I:
1. Got the car with the new carb up and running,
2. Had a great day with my son,
3. Really strengthened a relatively new friendship with Henry.

You put that all together, it’s a great day!

Next up….pull the carburetor back off so i can pull the manifolds and I can get the exhaust manifold ceramic coated. Then, while I’m waiting on that, I’ll try figuring out the tail light issue.

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Re: Don’s 1937 (120) 138CD Deluxe Touring Limo
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Back to my tail light dimming issue when I turn on either the instrument lights or map lights….

The map/instrument light switch itself seems to be good. I measure 0.2 ohms when switched to each position.

I did discover that the main headlight switch seems to have a role in the mystery. I’ll have to do more research, but here is what I’ve found so far.

1. Turn on the lights (main headlight switch) with instrument/map light switch in OFF postion - tail lights are good.
2. Turn on the instrument or map lights - tail lights dim, headlights are still good.
3. Turn the instrument/map light switch back OFF - tail lights remain dim, headlights are still good.
4. Turn the main headlight switch OFF - all lights off.
5. Turn the main headlight switch ON (any position) - tail lights and headlights are all good again.

This is very repeatable. So, I don’t think the issue is with the instrument/map light switch.

When I have some time, I’ll pul off a tail light lens and check the actual voltage along with check the ground connection between the tail light ground and a know solid ground near the headlight main switch.

More to come…

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Re: Don’s 1937 (120) 138CD Deluxe Touring Limo
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I’m beyond excited with how things are coming together. I’ve been talking to a shop about getting the car in for body/paint/upholstery sometime after the first week of June. I wanted after that so that the car was still in service for the national Packard meet in KC next year.

But, he has some availability and wants to get my car in January and said he thinks it should only take 2 to 2.5 months. That would be around early to mid-April.

So, if all goes well, I should have it done in time for the national meet.

More importantly is that a HUGE dream is coming to be…that is for Dad and Mom to see the car done. They both dreamed about it for many years but never got around to it.

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Congrats on the progress, it sounds like things are really moving in the right direction!

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Re: Don’s 1937 (120) 138CD Deluxe Touring Limo
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I am so happy for you Don! What a treat for you parents too.
My Dad would have turned 16 a week before my car was bought new. I often wonder what he would think of it, I imagine it would have been on his radar as a kid for sure!
Bob J.

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Re: Don’s 1937 (120) 138CD Deluxe Touring Limo
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I think he’ll be excited to see it done. I know it won’t quite be the way he would have done it as he was always pretty insistent on two-toning it….doesn’t matter that it wasn’t an option on the 120s or that there isn’t a great transition point in the front.

I just can’t deviate from the original black…especially with it being a limousine.

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