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Re: Mojave Tan - A 1956 400 Saga
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On the V8 cars I have had, I found that the overall heater output and comfort in the car was better with the rear seat heater disconnected. All those hoses and elbows seem to reduce capacity due to flow restriction and extra losses. My vote for the best quality of life improvement is to pretend you never saw it and only plumb the front heater.


That's good to know. I pulled the core and dropped it off at the radiator place today, so we'll see what they say. If it's bad then I'll probably just leave it alone and delete the under seat heater like you say. It's a bummer because I just finished getting under the dash and fixing the inoperable rear heater switch. Works great now, lol.

Seeing how things have gone so far with the cooling system I'm assuming I will find a leak in the main heater core as well. But I haven't seen that yet so maybe there's hope.

Regardless, I need to replace the missing air duct on the passenger side to get the heater working over there. And rebuild the leaking heater valve also. Thanks Howard for sending the seal. It's on my list to do before I put the front seat back in.

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Re: Mojave Tan - A 1956 400 Saga
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Got a few things done today. While the front seat is out I'm taking the opportunity to get everything under the dash fixed. The rear heater fan switch was stuck and not working, turns out it was unplugged too. I confirmed which wire was which, cleaned up the switch and reinstalled. Works great now, and confirmed the under seat fan works. But vibrates a lot when on high speed.
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The fresh air duct controls were installed on the wrong ones. So I pulled those apart, added some lube to the cables, and reinstalled on the correct controls. Then adjusted the cables at the flappers and tested. They work perfect now
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The wiper switch causes hissing when the engine is on and the lever is turned on the knob. I didn't see any vacuum hoses disconnected, but I did note the washer control wire disconnected. Have not reconnected yet.
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Also pulled off the leaking wheel cylinder from the passenger rear. Turns out it was a 1" bore that was installed, but the wheel cylinder was overall much larger than my replacement. I put the new one on, struggled with getting the brake line lined up and installed (old cylinder had the brake line on the wrong side) and put everything back together. Still need to bleed.
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Also replaced a few bulbs that were missing. Noted that I'm missing the glove box light assembly.

Also found that the clock is missing the 2 amp fuse. Napa didn't have one. The radio was also unplugged. Plugging it in did not cause it to turn on. The spotlight was also disconnected, but not sure where to connect. I assume to any 12v source?

Posted on: Yesterday 21:16
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On the hissing wiper switch, if the hiss is present with the lever in one position but quits when the lever is moved to the other then swap the two small 1/8 hoses either at the switch or the motor. With the lever in one of the positions a port is uncovered and open directly to air. If the vacuum supply is connected to that port the hiss will be present when the port is exposed.

On the spotlight power you want to make sure it is protected by the "Body Feed" fuse on the fuse block. I can't remember but don't think the terminals are anything special on the block. If they are the standard 1/4" quick disconnect or spade type, there are a few different ways to do this connection -- You could make up a 2 output pigtail jumper and use that connected to the fuse block terminal to power the spotlight and the existing wire coming from the fuse or find something powered from the fuse and tie in there. If standard spade terminals and there is enough spacing between the fuse block output terminals there are also special piggyback terminals you could use for the added wire. Also, fuse taps that use the block clips to connect onto the fuse end are an option. The tap would be the cleanest approach and MIGHT work if there is enough space for it in the block fuse clips.

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Also pulled off the leaking wheel cylinder from the passenger rear. Turns out it was a 1" bore that was installed, but the wheel cylinder was overall much larger than my replacement. I put the new one on, struggled with getting the brake line lined up and installed (old cylinder had the brake line on the wrong side) and put everything back together. Still need to bleed.


Are you sure it is the correct cylinder? There are different cylinders for each wheel and they differ by the location of the line connection.

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Also pulled off the leaking wheel cylinder from the passenger rear. Turns out it was a 1" bore that was installed, but the wheel cylinder was overall much larger than my replacement. I put the new one on, struggled with getting the brake line lined up and installed (old cylinder had the brake line on the wrong side) and put everything back together. Still need to bleed.


Are you sure it is the correct cylinder? There are different cylinders for each wheel and they differ by the location of the line connection.


Yes, it is the correct cylinder. Correct part number both listed here and on RockAuto, plus I compared to my '54 and the line connection is the same. The cylinder that was on there before had the brake line connection towards the front of the car, and it should be towards the rear of the car. The brake line had an awkward bend up and over the axle to reach it. I'm not sure what they used on it before....maybe it was meant for the driver's side? The driver's side is correct on this car.


Howard - thanks for the info on tapping into the fuse block. The wire for the spotlight is terminated in a ring terminal. The fuse block connections are all spade terminals. I'll see what I can do to tap the spotlight in....I probably won't use it much but it would be fun to have.

Posted on: Yesterday 23:05
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Yes, it is the correct cylinder. Correct part number both listed here and on RockAuto, plus I compared to my '54 and the line connection is the same. The cylinder that was on there before had the brake line connection towards the front of the car, and it should be towards the rear of the car. The brake line had an awkward bend up and over the axle to reach it. I'm not sure what they used on it before....maybe it was meant for the driver's side? The driver's side is correct on this car.


So the old cylinder was for the left side (or some other application). They didn’t kink the line did they?
Curiouser and curiouser.

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Hey Kevin,
On my Caribbean I had a crushed steel brake line on the rear axle between the right rear wheel cylinder and the junction block on the rear axle. If you haven't already done so, you might want to look over all your steel brake lines to make sure no tow truck driver crushed a brake line when chaining the car down during towing/transport. -Maybe you already did that, but it can't hurt to make sure all your steel lines are healthy. Seeing as how our cars have a single brake circuit, and no low fluid warning lights. Good work so far!

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Got a few things done today. While the front seat is out I'm taking the opportunity to get everything under the dash fixed. The rear heater fan switch was stuck and not working, turns out it was unplugged too. I confirmed which wire was which, cleaned up the switch and reinstalled. Works great now, and confirmed the under seat fan works. But vibrates a lot when on high speed.


You can rebalance the fan. I don't know why the balance on them tends to be off.
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BTW, if you gently pry apart the 3 tabs holding the ceramic, you can get in there and grease everything with 00 grease. Makes the operation a lot nicer. They can be a little hard to turn normally.

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The wiper switch causes hissing when the engine is on and the lever is turned on the knob. I didn't see any vacuum hoses disconnected, but I did note the washer control wire disconnected. Have not reconnected yet.


The two little hoses on the switch are on backwards.

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Also pulled off the leaking wheel cylinder from the passenger rear. Turns out it was a 1" bore that was installed, but the wheel cylinder was overall much larger than my replacement. I put the new one on, struggled with getting the brake line lined up and installed (old cylinder had the brake line on the wrong side) and put everything back together. Still need to bleed.

Also replaced a few bulbs that were missing. Noted that I'm missing the glove box light assembly.

Also found that the clock is missing the 2 amp fuse. Napa didn't have one. The radio was also unplugged. Plugging it in did not cause it to turn on. The spotlight was also disconnected, but not sure where to connect. I assume to any 12v source?


I can send you a clock fuse, I have extras. For the radio, you can pull the vibrator and polish the contacts, that's usually all it really needs.
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Spotlight if you want to be fancy, put a .156 bullet on it, and plug it into the spare running light socket on the headlight switch.

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Spotlight if you want to be fancy, put a .156 bullet on it, and plug it into the spare running light socket on the headlight switch.

I don't believe there are any spare terminals because in a properly wired 55-6 all but one terminal will be used. That extra terminal is coming out of the rheostat and is for instrument lights.

The same switch layout was used from 51 on so the extra terminal was for a transmission quadrant light in earlier models and it could, in many cases, be used for the push button pod light in 56 models having that option. Where the PB light was powered from seems to have been haphazard and could be related to early vs late looms with differing PB wiring. In some cars there was a mod made to the existing loom where they removed the normal quadrant socket and added a female inline connector to plug the PB bulb into, other times that headlight sw terminal was used. Even if empty, because the terminal goes thru the rheostat it is not suitable for the spotlight.

Since there is already a ring terminal on the spotlight wire the output of the headlight circuit breaker where it connects to the buss bar that goes into the switch could be used in place of the body feed fuse.

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William, thanks for the advice. My heater fan had no balancing weights on it. It had obviously been messed with before, because the case and fan itself were clean and painted. I believe Bob removed and refurbished the heater/fan when he did the floor pans in the front. Good idea on using the phone camera to see where the balancing problem lies.

I'll swap those two hoses around on the wiper switch. Probably easier to do at the motor end and not on the switch itself. Hopefully that gets my wipers moving. I will also need to hook up the washer motor again. Getting that fat washer bottle out from under the fender is going to suck. And it looks like everything needs to be unplugged from the cap to get it out.

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