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Seems a reasonable way to organize it. But as long as we started with the 1st series Eights, I suppose we should make a provision for the corresponding Sixes? I don't really see why you couldn't include the Single Sixes along with the Single Eights. Then you'd have everything back to the end of the Twin Six era.
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BH wrote:......Unfortunately, there are some key parts books that we don't have in our collection, and our Service letter coverage starts to fall off, again, prior to 1938, which might help complete the picture...... Delivered this morning to my front door is a purchase off Aussie eBay of Packard Service Letters 14th - 20th Series. It's first page states "This book contains important mechanical information previously published in Service Letters. It is arranged in alphabetical groups for quick reference." Might help to fill in some of the missing links you noted above. My record in the past hasn't been good when it comes to scanned content because I've yet to forward to BigKev the previous Packard book I scanned. Have to get tech support, aka #1 son, over to ensure this and the previous scan are forwarded without much further delay. Attach file:  (22.14 KB) (20.53 KB)
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/o[]o\ ====  Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this?  Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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Hi Mal, if that 14th-20th series service volume is done in the same manner as the same source's 7th-12th series version, I found it a very disappointing publication. It isn't a reprint of the original service letters at all, but rather material cut and snipped from them and then jumbled into categories where you can loose context and often can not easily determine what series and model the material was pertaining to. It was a laudable idea to try to organize material over several years into a single volume, but to my view it would have been much better to just reprint the service letters as they were. Still, it's a source of information.
Posted on: 2011/5/23 8:36
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Owen -
Thanks for the feedback and additional input. WRT coverage back to the 1st Series, initially, I had only been looking back to 1930 and merely included the 1930-32 Eights per the parts book. Meanwhile, Kev had proposed that anything prior to 1928 be treated as a single group - perhaps because the Service Letters series had only been launched in 1927. Also, while single-topic Technical Letters predate and overlap publication of that newsletter, we don't have a significant collection of those to examine. However, when I found that Langworth connected the Light Eight to the 6th-8th Series Eights (1929-31), I decided to extended that one grouping back to 1924, mirroring his Buyer's Guide coverage. Of course, nothing is etched in stone at this point . Heck, I'm still waffling about whether to have both 1935-1937 Juniors (120->115C) and another for 1938-1942 Juniors (16th->20th) or just one 1935-1942 Juniors (120/115C->20th). With no Service Letters for 1935 (yet), we'll just have to cross that bridge when we get to it. So, I can certainly fold the "corresponding Sixes" in, though they date back a few years earlier, and call it "1920-1931 Six/Eight (1st->8th) and 1932 Light Eight (900)". Though that title is a bit long, we can revisit the wording later In time, perhaps we can make room for additional groupings for earlier years as the picture becomes more clear. However, that's contingent upon receipt of material for that period - including Technical Latters.
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Mal -
Thanks for thinking of us. The inside page of that book reveals this to be Packard's Reference Book of Mechnical Information, I've found mentioned in some of the Service Letters of the period. It seems that, rather than publishing a mere topical index, Packard decided to cut-n-paste articles from the Service Letter series into a categorical layout - setn oput in loose-leaf format to be inserted in a three-ring binder. I suspect that program was initiated at a time when a full-boided shop manual had yet to be developed. I don't know whether Packard reprinted the Reference Book in a soft-cover format, but I wonder if what you have is a mor modern reprint - like so many shop manuals and parts book. If you take a look at the PACKARD LITERATURE REPRINTS page from Kanter's website, you'll find a section with: FACTORY SERVICE LETTERS Compilations of Important Packard Service Letters 1930-1935 $37 1936-1942 $53 As such, I'm not sure that Kev would want to scan and post someone else's work, which is still available for sale - even though it is merely a derivative reprint.
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BH, if indeed you do go back to 1924, you could include the 1st Series Single Six with the later Single Sixes as the most significant change between the two was the adoption of 4-wheel brakes in the 2nd Series.
In this era before shop manuals and the like became common, much of the mechanical maintenance information was included in the owner's manual - for the benefit of the chauffeur no doubt. In some cases they have very detailed information on servicing. Dealer's mechanics were often trained in Packard-run schools (as were chauffeurs) and supplemented by "hands on" training in the shop, hence the manuals weren't considered all that necessary. If you could afford a Packard and the chauffeur couldn't do it, you took it to a dealer or factory branch - God forbid the owner should ever think of getting dirt under his fingernails.
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Owen -
I believe the intent of our online Service Index project is to go back as far in time as the available resources permit. With the addition of sufficient Technical Letters, we could go back all the way to 1920 for the 1st Series Six in that one category. To digress for a moment, the 1920s clearly provide the best example of the notion that Packard's Series classification was independent of calendar/model year. The first 1st Series SIX was produced in 1920, but the first 1st Series EIGHT didn't come along until 1924. However, the significance of Series designations began to fall by the wayside after WWII. As a postwar (and primarily V8) guy, perhaps I take the scope of the factory shop manuals of that period for granted. Thanks for the explanataion of Packard's evolution of the shop manual; it affirms the picture that was beginning to coalesce in my mind. I'll watch out for that as I add Recommended Literature links to the prewar Model Info pages. BTW, in your previous reply to Mal, WRT to that Reference Book, you wrote: Quote: ...you can loose context and often can not easily determine what series and model the material was pertaining to Heck, I find that to be the case even WITHIN the context of some of the original Service Letters/Counselors - LOL! One objective of our online Service Index is to help clear that up. Alas, while I've been able to backtrack cited part numbers, that's becoming more difficult as we are still missing some editions of the parts books from the immediate prewar period.
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Owen_Dyneto wrote: Hi Mal, if that 14th-20th series service volume is done in the same manner as the same source's 7th-12th series version, I found it a very disappointing publication. It isn't a reprint of the original service letters at all, but rather material cut and snipped from them and then jumbled into categories where you can loose context and often can not easily determine what series and model the material was pertaining to. It was a laudable idea to try to organize material over several years into a single volume, but to my view it would have been much better to just reprint the service letters as they were. Still, it's a source of information. Quote: BH wrote:.....The inside page of that book reveals this to be Packard's Reference Book of Mechanical Information, I've found mentioned in some of the Service Letters of the period. I've lightly perused the Service Letters, a wealth of information there. It is loose-leaf with 3 brass, split-pin type, fasteners and over 360 pages. I don't think it's a reprint as there are no markings to indicate such. Has a booksellers sticker on the inside of the front cover which has a 7 digit, excluding the area code, telephone number. Seven digit telephone numbers were converted to eight digits in the mid 90's here in Oz. Were Kanters re-printing these before that? If so, were they still using a 3 post binding or used a more modern glued binding? Fred, over to you! Don't want to be accused of stealing copyrighted material. But, by the same token, I'm also very interested to know whether Kanters and others need/have to gain permission before they re-print the plethora of Packard manuals and such now available. Or do they re-print them because they are in the public domain? Irrespective, my son is coming this evening to coach me through the scanning process, again! Attach file: (25.88 KB) (19.46 KB)
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/o[]o\ ==== Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this? Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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Mal,
Have a look at the back of the last page in your copy (page 6 of wheels and tires) if it says printed by Small World Press it is a reprint. Packard did publish this originally but on fairly heavy paper that has a light tan color as opposed to the white of the reprint.
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