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Ozstatman

Re: Wade's Workshop

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Thursday 7th May 2009

The tables are turned!

What does that mean?

The YouTube videos of Mal in action at the workshop is the explanation! Said to Wade I'd start on cleaning up the chassis. So after re-locating the trans from the tray it was sitting in and disposing of the dregs and lees from the trans cleaning it was into action. But unbeknownst to me Wade had picked up my camera and snapped what he thought were candid shots of Mal in action. And unbeknownst to Wade the camera was set on video, so I've uploaded the 3 shots/videos he took to YouTube, see links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXXakQZ659E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8NAA_iOUUI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9dksnRR96A

EDIT - Looks like the YouTube videos don't work. But all is not lost, see pic's 106, 107 & 108 in the Picasa album.
http://picasaweb.google.com/ozstatman/WadeSWorkshopMay2009#

FURTHER EDIT - YouTube videos now working.

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Posted on: 2009/5/7 3:39

Mal
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"Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche.

1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD

1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD

1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD

1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD

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Eric Boyle

Re: Wade's Workshop

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Youtube links work fine for me.

Posted on: 2009/5/7 3:53

Ozstatman

Re: Wade's Workshop

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Turbopackman wrote: Youtube links work fine for me.

Good to know.

By the way, the '34 Club Sedan you see in the pic on the wall of the last video is Wade's original car, pic was taken a long time ago.

Posted on: 2009/5/7 4:03

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Re: Wade's Workshop

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Friday 8th May 2009

Morning spent with Wade chasing parts. First to ABC Bearings to pick up the new axle bearings and to get a rear trans seal, a timing cover seal, upper steering box shaft seal, roller bearings for clutch pedal and roller bearings for king pins. Got all except those for the king pins. While there Wade showed Dennis one of the damaged rear axle bearings, Dennis just glanced at it and said "Been sitting for a long time?" And that's what had happened, Big Red spent from 1961 to 2007 until Wade bought it, sitting in a Museum with very little use. Apparently a "small rust area" will form then while being used will cause the hardened steel to chip away in that area. A similar thing happens when cars are transported long distances because the bearing is not rotating and the car "bounces" on the one point causing similar damage. This can be especially so if cars are shipped by train.

Then on to Cedrays, an engineering and welding supplies company, for some threaded plugs to use as welch plug replacements. These will be available next week as they weren't in stock. Then to Hare and Forbes, a machinery supply company, chasing replacements for the 2 broken wheels on the engine crane but without luck. Then to Jaycar to buy a new battery powered movement for Gina's Mum's wall clock, got it! Then approaching the workshop dropped in to see Col, the Brake Guy, so Wade could pay the bill for the rebuilt brake parts picked up last week. Then back to the workshop.

At the Workshop, Wade installed the upper seal on the steering box and re-installed the steering shaft cover. Next will be further clean, paint and re-installing the steering box back into "Big Red". Then it was off to see Sam and Ivan for a "spot" of welding and some lathe work. But first, just as we were stepping out the door Tony, Noel's panelbeater friend, arrived. Tony looked over the Water distribution plate Wade had detached from the water jacket side cover plate and declared he could make one to replace the rusty original. Later at Sam and Ivan's. Sam spot welded the nuts holding the handbrake cable positioning clamp to the inside of the removable trans crossmember. This because it's impossible to hold the nut while tightening the bolts holding the clamp to the crossmember, unless as Wade said, you have the hands of a gynacologist! The lathe work involves a slight machining of the housing at the rear of the trans for the replacement oil seal being used. OD of replacement seal is 72mm while housing size is 71.4mm = 2&13/16", or "just a smidgeon".

Back at the workshop Wade got a call from Tony "Shocks" that "Big Red's" shocks were ready. And earlier in the day Wade had a call from All Metal Bumpers advising the grill and other parts(EDIT - for the '34) being re-chromed were ready to be picked up. So it looks like Wade will pick up these parts one day next week.

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Posted on: 2009/5/8 0:55

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Re: Wade's Workshop

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Ozstatman wrote: Wednesday 6th May 2009.......So friend, Z71Hobbs, over on the AACA Packard Forum is in luck. Wade doesn't want to retain the muffler brackets off the spare chassis ........complete with California dirt still on them from the time Wade imported the '34........

'34 Muffler bracket parts mailed this morning and soon will be winging their way "home" across the Pacific to the US.

Posted on: 2009/5/8 1:18

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flackmaster

Re: Wade's Workshop

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Mal - Would you please post the bearing and seal interchange numbers before they boxes are tossed.
Thank you.

Posted on: 2009/5/8 8:05

HH56

Re: Wade's Workshop

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One thing that strikes me interesting in so many of Mal's posts is the phenomenal luck getting parts.

Who would have thought in a country 10K miles away, where an old out of production foreign car is a rare sight that you could pop over to a local bearing supply house or repair shop or whatever you need shop and find a part or someone who even knows what you are talking about--let alone those who know how to work on an old item on a routine basis--speedometer cable or shocks for example. I don't think we can even do that here in 99% of the country.

Did you guys buy up and corner the market on 75 year old parts and that's why we can't find things?

Posted on: 2009/5/8 9:52

Eric Boyle

Re: Wade's Workshop

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The Aussie's can do it because they think outside the "box", so to speak.

Posted on: 2009/5/8 12:10

Ozstatman

Re: Wade's Workshop

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flackmaster wrote: Mal - Would you please post the bearing and seal interchange numbers before they boxes are tossed. Thank you.

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HH56 wrote: One thing that strikes me interesting in so many of Mal's posts is the phenomenal luck getting parts.
Who would have thought in a country 10K miles away, where an old out of production foreign car is a rare sight that you could pop over to a local bearing supply house or repair shop or whatever you need shop and find a part or someone who even knows what you are talking about--let alone those who know how to work on an old item on a routine basis--speedometer cable or shocks for example. I don't think we can even do that here in 99% of the country.
Did you guys buy up and corner the market on 75 year old parts and that's why we can't find things?

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Ozstatman wrote: Tuesday 21st April 2009.......Off then to General Instruments at Lidcombe for all new hand brake cables to be made up for "Big Red" using the originals as patterns. Should be ready Wednesday afternoon or Thursday at the latest.......next was ABC Bearings at Silverwater. Needed front and rear axle bearings for "Big Red" and some new wheels for the engine crane. Bearings for "Big Red" now on order while the wheels they had didn't suit the engine crane application..........

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Ozstatman wrote: Friday 8th May 2009.......Tony, Noel's panelbeater friend, arrived. Tony looked over the Water distribution plate Wade had detached from the water jacket side cover plate and declared he could make one to replace the rusty original.........Back at the workshop Wade got a call from Tony "Shocks" that "Big Red's" shocks were ready.........

David, I'll get and enter cross-references for the bearings and seals. Although for one, the upper steering box seal, it may not be possible because it's already been installed. But if the Invoice Wade has shows the part number for this I'll be able to include it.

Howard, It's funny you raise this because when Wade and I were walking back from Sam and Ivan's machine shop yesterday Wade said how good it was that there was a "network" of guys and businesses who could be turned to for parts or expertise.

Regarding the brake and speedo cables, these were made by General Instruments. They have the equipment and materials available and this is their regular work, it's just that we give them Packard parts to replicate. Plus it certainly helps that the guys there are definitely "car" guys who speak our language.

Wade has been using ABC Bearings for years and I think he might have got onto them through John at the workshop. Wade's built up a relationship with ABC whereby Dennis is prepared to seek out bearings and seals required. Wade usually takes over the old bearing/seal, or part which requires these, and from the numbers on the bearings/seals or measurement of the fit required a replacement item or an off the shelf equivalent can often be found. Sometimes more extensive searching is required to locate the items and Wade leaves that to Dennis who'll come back with usually good news but sometimes comes up empty handed.

Tony "Shocks" is an old spanish guy who has worked on shocks all his life, he's retired but has continued rebuilding old shocks for guys in the hobby over the years. Unfortunately he lost his wife last year and this has affected him greatly and it's likely his irreplaceable experience and expertise could be lost to the hobby.

All that being said, Wade also is getting parts from Kanters and MaxM as part of the rebuilding process. Wade has a good network of contacts, suppliers and specialists which has been built up over the years he's had his Packards. It helps that we have an active Packard club with many members prepared to help each other and similarly for other car clubs. It also helps that Sydney is a city of 4 million with most of the various mechanical and engineering facilities available.
And NO!

We haven't cornered the market in old car parts.

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Posted on: 2009/5/8 22:16

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Re: Wade's Workshop

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Monday 11th May 2009

Half day only at the workshop this afternoon and while waiting for Wade took pic's of the bearing numbers and their boxes picked up last week from ABC bearings in response to "the flackmasters" exhortation. Have to think, could be difficult as I haven't done that for a long time, how I'm going to present the info gleaned.

That aside, then cleaned more parts till Wade arrived. He'd brought the old valve radio with him that Harvey had dropped in some weeks ago to be repaired. Wade had to transpose two valves, replace some components and dodgy wiring and install a missing component among other things, no wonder it wouldn't work!

Then it was into turning Big Red's engine on it's side so the sump("pan" for you US guys) could be removed. Needed John's help to do it, using the engine crane to lift the engine with John and me pulling and positioning the engine while Wade operated the hydraulic pump. No dramas, except for the obligatory oil loss. It's surprising how much oil they hold and how much doesn't drain when you empty it.

Pan off, again no dramas, except for a "washer" which fell out of the sump when it came off the crankcase. Later when Wade was cleaning up the crankcase surface another "washer" fell out of the crankcase. And this is deja vu all over again as you'll see by the post below from last year!
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Ozstatman wrote: Saturday 19th April 2008.......In preparation for this Wade had the Super 8 up on Rick's hoist to service it. However after he drained the oil, when he took the cover off to remove and clean the oil pickup screen a nut and a washer came out as well as the screen! Needless to say this caused much consternation and resulted in Wade taking off the sump to check out the situation. Wade's guess was that a nut holding the oil piping in the sump had come loose, but this wasn't so. Couldn't find where it may have come from, even checked Kevin's engine on the bench to give other angles to look from for possible causes. Wade came to the conclusion that somebody may have dropped them down the oil filler tube at some stage in the car's past........... he was saying that since he brought in the Super 8 from the US last September he's put about 5000 miles on it. And thinks the nut and washer have been there at least since then!.........

Accordingly there was much head scratching, muttering and cursing. Where are these things coming from? Are there any more? What's going on? Questions, questions, questions but no answers so far. Detailed inspected of crankcase internals revealed......nothing! Looked at some spare roller rockers to determine if they could have come from there......doesn't look like it! A remote "possibility" came from the fuel pump mounting which has the rear stud hole badly cracked! In fact it didn't have a stud in it but a long bolt. Wade thought that maybe, just maybe, because the bolt went all the way through into the oil filler shaft and maybe it was originally secured by a nut there(the one found last year). But the washers which fell out today are much too big for the bolt used so who knows???????? The other things presenting a query are the two "plugs" for want of a better term, found in the countersunk rear main bearing shafts. Are these "correct"? My terminology is very lacking here so please refer to the pic's attached will may be a better guide.

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