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This is currently on eBay but it doesn't look like a Packard engine to me, unless of course it came out of the top secret "skunk works".

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That's the prototype engine from the defunct "1937 Packard 100c". I'd imagine it's as rare as a 1965 Packard V12!

OR - The same seller has a quarter scale working Model T for $250,000.00 Buy it now!

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Even if it was full size it wouldn't be worth near that much.

not sure WHAT that thing is. The up-draft "detroit" type carb. would suggest this thing is from the late 20's.

Is that a turbo-charger I see that the exhaust feeds into ? Packard supposedly did some experiments with super-chargers in the 1920's, (Packard and General Electric pioneered super-charger develop. for aviation use during the 1st World War, but I dont think GE was interested in continuing this into automotive applicatons afterwards) but not aware of any turbo-charger experiments.

The back of the crank-case does not look like any prototype/experimental engines I have seen from PMCC. Packard typically had a provision for a bell-housing attachment moulded into crank-case designs.

Water pump design dosnt look like Packard concepts to me.

Also puzzling - not aware that Packard was convinced in the era this engine is apparently from, that the additional expense, manufacturing and servicing problems of over-head valves was any real advantage to the consumer, given the octane issues of that day.

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Eric, we're not supposed to care about the price on those kind of things.

It's aimed at people that want one of a kind thingys to show off, maybe lacks common sense, or has somehow obtained more money than sense, and probably has a high priced lawyer or two on the payroll that can figure out how to write most of it off later anyway. Not for us honest working stiffs.

It is an incredible piece of work though. I can just imagine some little old guy hunched over his tools filing & hammering away for hours on end.

Could be a model of the Diesel car engine from the engineers

M. Ware, R. Taylor and J. Witzky

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SAE International

Technical Paper

The New Packard Lightweight Diesel Engines






Paper #:


540248



Published:

1954-01-01




DOI:

10.4271/540248




Citation:


Ware, M., Taylor, R., and Witzky, J., "The New Packard Lightweight Diesel Engines," SAE Technical Paper 540248, 1954, doi:10.4271/540248.





Author(s):

M. Ware
R.E. Taylor
J. Witzky




Affiliated:

Packard Motor Car Co.




Abstract:



THE new Packard automotive diesel engine is reported to feature reductions in weight and space occupied, while maintaining good life expectancy.

It is available in 6-cyl in-line, V8, V12, and V16 models. These models all have a large number of interchangeable parts. They all have the same bore and stroke.

According to the authors, noteworthy points of these engines include: 1.

Extensive use of aluminum.
2.
Turbosupercharging.
3.
One-piece cylinder and head assembly.
4.
Four valves per cylinder, with stellite seating surfaces on valves and seats in the head.


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Maybe the model has a one-piece cylinder and head assembly.
Is there anybody, who has access to the whole SAE papers?

A Diesel engine compresses air up to the self ignition point of the diesel fuel. It doesn't need a carb to create a mixture but nozzles to blow in the diesel with high pressure. As you know Packard used injector nozzles in 1954. But Mal's pic shows an engine with downdraft carburetor and float valve.

Diesel injection

Sorry Mr Guscha, I ignored the updraft carb.

In the patent drawings from M. Ware and J. Witzky you could clearly see the injection pump.

Maybe you are right and the model is from the late 20's.

No sorry is needed. Thanks for the effort to find a solution for this riddle.

Und bei dieser Gelegenheit herzliche Gr??e in unser sch?nes Nachbarland!


1928 Packard sedan on a snowy road with Swiss Alps in background

According to this source we see the Swiss Packard distributor Werner Risch behind the car. Photo courtesy of the Detroit Public Library, National Automotive History Collection and used with permission.