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hello
can anybody tell me . wath starter 12 volt would fit on my 53 patrician . it was 6 its now 12 volt
thanks
gregor

Maybe you could get a 12 Volt armiture and put it in your starter Housing?

Does anybody know if The number of windings in a 6v is different than in a 12v starter armiture?

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I believe both field and armature would be different but can't swear to it. Perhaps Jason might have an answer to that question.

I'm still wondering if there is anyone with accessible parts who could compare the two or try sticking a V8 starter in a S8 (or vice-versa) to see if it bolts up or meshes.

Actually, the field coils are really the only set of windings to be concerned with when converting to 12 volts. The armature windings are fine for 6 or 12 volts. Gregor, you would be better off converting yours to 12 volts versus finding a 12 volt replacement. What is your reason for converting to 12 volts if I may ask? If it strictly starters performance, than I may have some other suggestions to try first. A) your 6 volt starter just may need a rebuild or B) I could install 6 Volt High Torque field coils in your starter providing additional torque and RPM while keeping the original 6 volt system. I've done this for many customers and they are always more than satisfied with the results. As always feel free to contact me with any other questions or concerns.

I have never personally done this but I have heard that a 6v started will work just fine with a 12v system. The wires in a 6v are usually much thicker than in a comparable 12v part so their shouldn't be a problem.

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It will work and many here are running theirs that way. The downside is the 6v motor has considerably more speed and torque running on 12v. Good for a quick and rousing engine start but can get interesting in a hurry and at really inconvenient times.

More than one person here has felt the side effect of the more aggressive starter. An exploded Bendix, teeth broken off the ring gear and the nose of starter motor housing shattered or broken when the Bendix assy slammed into it once too often.

IMO, it's one of those things that might do for a short term while more pressing things needed attention but would be right at the top of the list to eventually get right.

FWIW, I've never run a Packard I8 on 12V for an extended period, but I've run Studebaker I6 and V8 as well as tractors. Their starters functioned for years on 12V. As previously mentioned, they spin over smartly.

jack vines