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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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I continued working on the rims... after removing all the layers of paint, I was able to answer a question I had about the color. Apparently the rims were painted two-tone in 1924. I think that this was the case not only with the Sport model, but also with all other types in this series. I would like answers to this if anyone knows more details. The original “Vermillion Red” was only painted on the front visible surface. And possibly the edge of the rim over which the snap ring has to be levered was not painted in “Vermillion Red”, but rather in black like the rest of the rim, as you can see on Steve Babinski’s 19024 Sport. If you look closely at the photos of this sport and enlarge them, you can see that this edge shows clear signs of assembly. That's why I'll also paint the rear rims in black satin, as well as the remaining parts that belong to the frame. This creates a harmonious and appropriate image when you look at the visible areas of the chassis, suspension and frame.
I made a few suitable aluminum adapters for the rims, which were necessary to clamp the rims onto the balancing machine. In order to give the pipes a smooth surface to rest on the rims, I applied the deep rust scars in this area with a very strong and hard spatula. It is a 2-component epoxy filler with a very high tin powder content. After curing... I wait 24 hours at 20-24°C... I apply black powder “Dry Guide Coat” to locate missing spots or final holes. “Image….447”. In the next step, a not very thick layer of spray putty is applied to the entire rim area using the paint gun. However, I am leaving out the area where the snap rings need to be placed. I cover this area with an 8mm foam rubber cord and also tape it off with painter's tape. You can also use a suitable old electrical cable. The area where the snap ring is located will later only be painted with a black putty knife before the final top coat is applied. This ensures that the snap rings fit optimally on the deep and sharp edges in the joint. Pictures of that later.
Maybe someone will recognize the car in the background. It's my everyday car over here.

Karl

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Posted on: 5/8 12:10
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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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.... to correct 2 errors in this Google translation… the place where the snap rings sit will not be painted with “putty knife”…. but with “black filler” and Babinsky’s Sport is a 1924… sorry !

Karl

Posted on: 5/8 12:32
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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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While grinding the replacement rim, it was discovered that the edge of the rim was so damaged in one place that only a weld repair was the correct solution to correct this problem.
I cleaned this area with a cup wire brush on an angle grinder...

... underlaid with a 2 mm thick copper sheet to fill the rust spots and holes without burning through to the area of the snap ring holder. Then fill this area step by step with Weldingpoint by Weldingpoint. After an initial intermediate grinding, this defect could then be completely remedied through further welding work.

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Posted on: 5/14 14:03
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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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After the final grinding the problem was solved.

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Posted on: 5/14 14:04
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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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After applying the epoxy primer, the problem that I had previously described became clear in one place... sanding the rims instead of sandblasting or dipping them. In the area of the recess of the air valve, the layers of paint were difficult to sand down by hand. So I sandblasted this small part in my sandblasting cabin. It was now clearly visible how deep the rust scars were in the visible external surface. Filling this with spray filler and then sanding everything down again to achieve a smooth surface and prevent the paint layer from building up too thick would have required countless additional hours.

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Posted on: 5/14 14:06
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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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Extremely good work, and well worth the effort, because (as I'm sure you know) those wheels are unique to the Sport Models. There is no other choice than to repair them, other than to use incorrect wheels.

I admire you for painting the car in its original colors. I suspect that you'll really like the end results. There is no other Sport Model properly restored in the correct colors (that I know of). Steve Babinsky's car is the correct color, but because it is now 100 years old, it doesn't give you the proper idea of what it looked like new. I cannot wait to see your car finished.

Posted on: 5/14 15:00
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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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Without taking anything away from the great work Karl is doing with his Sport he has actually chosen non-original colors. The 136 Sports were painted in dustproof grey over black fenders with vermillion wheels, according to Packard literature from the era.

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Posted on: 5/16 8:09
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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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Oh. For some reason I thought Karl was restoring it in those colors.

Posted on: 5/16 9:47
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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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Thank you, David, for clearing up this little error…. and my thanks to West Peterson for his appreciative comment. To say something about the originality of my !924 Sport…. I already bought the car with some non-original modifications. At that time I was not aware of the special features of the original. For example, the original top linkage was missing. The original seats were missing and all nickel parts were chrome plated. Also, the window frame, the snap rings and the wheel mounting rings... which as far as I know were only painted black. During the restoration I gained more and more knowledge about this vehicle, in which David Mc was significantly involved. There were a few reasons why I decided not to completely restore the car to its original condition, despite the considerable effort involved. On the one hand, it is almost impossible to get access to the original parts, which are already very rare, from Germany. I learned this while searching for some parts that I consider essential to the look and character of the 1924 Sport. When I saw the first photos of an original vehicle, I asked myself why the designers had brought such a SPORT model onto the market with so much drab color and so little sporty elegance. (If you drive along in front of a hedge with this original color, from a distance you can probably only see the wheels.)
Perhaps this was due to Packard's zeitgeist at the time, as other comparable car manufacturers at the time had color schemes that were still very close to today's tastes.
Of course, I chose colors for my sport that were also current in those years... also at Packard. And even though I couldn't mix the original Dark Red color at the time... I really like the color combination I chose. In any case, I refrained from using metallic colors like those you can sometimes see in Pebble Beach on very exclusive and very expensive vehicles on which they really have no place. But since this is ultimately “only” about “taste” and less about values…. after all, my 1924 Sport is not a 2 million Duesenberg…. we really shouldn't argue about it. And as I know from the Pebble Judging Rules... there is only a relatively small point deduction for a non-original but timely color choice.
Since components... such as the convertible top linkage... are to be attributed to a contemporary Packard follow-up model, I did not see any break in style and the character of the Sport was not changed as a result. On the other hand, the original Sport roof frame is a fairly thin/wobbly construction. I won't put on the original soft top cover either, although I still have the Material in my inventory as a reproduction but would like to use it for something else. I didn't want to make any compromises on many other components. So I thought it was essential to have the original headlight lenses from Bausch & Lomb on the Sport because they contribute significantly to the original look. I looked for it in the forums for 2 years because everything offered at E…y etc. was always too small. Then a hint came... Unfortunately I accidentally deleted the email and don't remember the name of the person who gave me the hint... and I actually got these glasses NOS.
I think I'll have another positive surprise in the near future about original parts that I value... but more on that later when I have them in my hands.
Wherever I could recreate the missing original parts myself, I did so.
So I hope that with my “deviations” I don’t lose the rest of my friendly commenters.

Karl

Posted on: 5/16 13:13
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Re: 1924 Sport 136
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David would you be able to answer this question?

Was Sam's 24 Single Eight the correct colour, excluding all the "battle scars" of course?

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SorryKarl for the thread hi-jack. Now back to normal sevice.

Posted on: 5/16 16:59
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